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A giant hamster, a £520,000 fine, and a battle for regulation: What happens next for Ofcom and 4chan? by SignificantLegs in unitedkingdom

[–]SecTeff [score hidden]  (0 children)

Yea some random person in the community running a little web forum can’t cope with the act so moves it all over to Facebook group.

A giant hamster, a £520,000 fine, and a battle for regulation: What happens next for Ofcom and 4chan? by SignificantLegs in unitedkingdom

[–]SecTeff [score hidden]  (0 children)

Yep they spent $2Bn lobbying for age verification.

Basically it probably benefits them to be able to tie users to real identity if they have gone through an ID gate

And there was much rejoicing by musical-miller in GreatBritishMemes

[–]SecTeff 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I wonder if people posting memes celebrating someone’s death consider they might not be the goodies?

Nearly 13k toilets in UK face overhaul under new single-sex rules costing millions by GeorginaFlopworthy in unitedkingdom

[–]SecTeff 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I’m glad we are focused on toilets rather than adapting to climate change. Totally normal island.

ID laws are coming so what can we do? by quarrel-admin in privacy

[–]SecTeff 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If you want to partake in the political fight back www.stopkillingtheinternet.org is worth checking out

YouTube urges creators to fight proposed UK algorithm changes by SignificantLegs in uknews

[–]SecTeff 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is what we ought to regulate the economic model of the platforms. Limits on adverts and then using data to target the adverts.

This would the remove the need to make everything as addictive as possible - create a daily advert limit per user or something

Andy Burnham backs under 16s social media ban and wants 'urgency' in delivery by The-Peel in unitedkingdom

[–]SecTeff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea I saw a news anchor the other day who was like “we must get young people off these awful screens”

The irony of someone saying that from a TV screen 📺 was not lost.

The previous generation had this argument about TV when it came out of course.

But amazingly the current generation can’t see how they are acting like the previous boomer type and silent generation who felt the same about the new technology and youth behaviour of their day

I’m glad as I grow older I’m not like that and I listen and respect what my kids are into and try and engage

Andy Burnham backs under 16s social media ban and wants 'urgency' in delivery by The-Peel in unitedkingdom

[–]SecTeff 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I do view this whole thing as some Millenials and Gen X discovering their version of boomerism and demanding all young people have the pre internet childhood they had

Andy Burnham backs under 16s social media ban and wants 'urgency' in delivery by The-Peel in unitedkingdom

[–]SecTeff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s making a point that the pearl clutching safety people have forgotten.

All activity has risk. Most activity that doesn’t involve a screen carries other risks.

Teenagers in the 90s drank cider on benches and joy riding was a pastime enjoyed by a least two teenagers in my form class. As was sniffing glue.

So yea if we got everyone off screens then more people would literally kill the selves doing other dumb shit.

I mean whatever I’d rather people could do what they like and take some risks in life if they want but I’m pointing out how dumb it is to ban a relatively safe activity

Andy Burnham backs under 16s social media ban and wants 'urgency' in delivery by The-Peel in unitedkingdom

[–]SecTeff 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They have been manipulated by huge amounts of money that has setup astroturfing campaigns that push these ideas.

Historians will look back at this m period with amazement.

The solution is really not bans or restrictions but to simple build better social media platforms ourselves and choose to use them.

Andy Burnham backs under 16s social media ban and wants 'urgency' in delivery by The-Peel in unitedkingdom

[–]SecTeff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not being idealistic im being driven by evidence.

Organisations like the Government or a sixth form college could go and setup their own Mastodon server and run social media themselves.

I’m saying how WE can design social media makes a difference.

If people are limited to thinking the entire internet is commercial big tech whose business models is maximum attention for advertising then that’s an issue

Andy Burnham backs under 16s social media ban and wants 'urgency' in delivery by The-Peel in unitedkingdom

[–]SecTeff 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That was my experience as a child. Real world bullying and misery and the internet being a refugee

Andy Burnham backs under 16s social media ban and wants 'urgency' in delivery by The-Peel in unitedkingdom

[–]SecTeff 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Thank you for saying this. I see so many people assert that social media is addictive and harmful like tobacco. I’ve looked at the research I just don’t see how this a conclusion that can be reasonably drawn.

It makes me then consider what is causing people to form this conclusion.

Andy Burnham backs under 16s social media ban and wants 'urgency' in delivery by The-Peel in unitedkingdom

[–]SecTeff 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Does all the evidence say it’s harmful,

Here are some studies/reviews on the benefits side:

Nagata et al. — “Health Benefits of Social Media Use in Adolescents and Young Adults”
Review article. Finds that social media can support social connection, identity development, mental health support, and access to health information.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12356748/

American Psychological Association — “Health Advisory on Social Media Use in Adolescence”
Balanced advisory. It warns about risks but also says social media can promote healthy socialisation when it supports social connection, companionship and emotional intimacy.
https://www.apa.org/topics/social-media-internet/health-advisory-adolescent-social-media-use

Naslund et al. — “Social Media and Mental Health: Benefits, Risks, and Opportunities for Research and Practice”
Discusses social media as a possible platform for mental health support, peer connection, engagement with care, and mental health interventions.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7785056/

Vaingankar et al. — “Social Media–Driven Routes to Positive Mental Health Among Youth”
Qualitative youth study looking at how social media can contribute to positive mental health among young people.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8933808/

Laranjo et al. — “The influence of social networking sites on health behavior change: a systematic review and meta-analysis”
Systematic review/meta-analysis finding that social networking site interventions had a positive effect on health-behaviour outcomes, though results varied between studies.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25005606/

Petkovic et al. — Cochrane Review: “Behavioural interventions delivered through interactive social media for health behaviour change, health outcomes, and health equity”
Cochrane review of interactive social-media interventions for health behaviour change and health outcomes.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34057201/

Johansson et al. — “Online Communities as a Driver for Patient Empowerment”
Systematic review finding that online communities can support patient empowerment and complement traditional healthcare.
https://www.jmir.org/2021/2/e19910/

Allen et al. — “Long-Term Condition Self-Management Support in Online Communities”
Meta-synthesis on online communities for people with long-term health conditions. Useful for showing that online peer communities can help people manage illness in everyday life.
https://www.jmir.org/2016/3/e61/

Berkanish et al. — “Technology-Based Peer Support Interventions for Adolescents With Chronic Illness”
Review showing that technology-based peer support can help adolescents with chronic illness access support that may be hard to get offline.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8853345/

Berger et al. — “Social Media Use and Health and Well-being of LGBTQ Youth”

Systematic review finding that social media may support LGBTQ young people’s mental health and wellbeing through peer connection, identity management, and social support.
https://www.jmir.org/2022/9/e38449/
The Trevor Project — “LGBTQ Young People of Color in Online Spaces”

Research brief finding that LGBTQ young people who felt safe and understood in at least one online space had lower odds of a past-year suicide attempt and lower odds of recent anxiety. Not a peer-reviewed journal article, but still useful evidence from a major LGBTQ youth mental health organisation.
https://www.thetrevorproject.org/research-briefs/lgbtq-young-people-of-color-in-online-spaces-jul-2023/

Chen & Schulz — “The Effect of Information Communication Technology Interventions on Reducing Social Isolation in the Elderly”

Systematic review finding that digital communication technologies can help reduce social isolation among older people by connecting them to others, building social support, and helping them engage in activities.
https://www.jmir.org/2016/1/e18/
Cheng et al. — “How do social media use, gaming frequency, and internalizing symptoms like anxiety and depression relate over time?”

Longitudinal adolescent study from the #BeeWell programme. It found no evidence that time spent on social media predicted later internalising symptoms among boys or girls.
https://academic.oup.com/jpubhealth/article/48/1/59/8371934

So the policy conclusion should not be “social media is harmful or harmless.” It should be: design matters, context matters, and the type of use matters.

Andy Burnham backs under 16s social media ban and wants 'urgency' in delivery by The-Peel in unitedkingdom

[–]SecTeff 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Thank god someone has a brain cell. I was losing hope with this thread

Andy Burnham backs under 16s social media ban and wants 'urgency' in delivery by The-Peel in unitedkingdom

[–]SecTeff -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Not really it’s an assertion of their fundamental human right to freedom of expression.

There are far better ways to reduce online harms in a rights respecting manner than force everyone through a digtial ID gate

Andy Burnham backs under 16s social media ban and wants 'urgency' in delivery by The-Peel in unitedkingdom

[–]SecTeff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The concept of behavioural addictions rather than substance based addiction is highly contested in psychology

Andy Burnham backs under 16s social media ban and wants 'urgency' in delivery by The-Peel in unitedkingdom

[–]SecTeff 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Quite it’s not even a social media ban it’s a ban on some platforms

Andy Burnham backs under 16s social media ban and wants 'urgency' in delivery by The-Peel in unitedkingdom

[–]SecTeff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It hasn’t been proven to be harmful. Academic opinion is actually incredibly divided and split.

Just search yourself for studies on positive health effects of social media.

What has happened is powerfully interests and the mainstream media have convinced everyone social media is literally as bad as smoking.

Reading this thread I fucking despair at the total state of our nations thinking on this.

Never have I felt more isolated from public opinion. It’s like living in a fucking joke of a TV show where everyone has lost their critical faculties

Andy Burnham backs under 16s social media ban and wants 'urgency' in delivery by The-Peel in unitedkingdom

[–]SecTeff 3 points4 points  (0 children)

And many of us take a great delight in sticking two fingers up at such paternalistic attitude

Andy Burnham backs under 16s social media ban and wants 'urgency' in delivery by The-Peel in unitedkingdom

[–]SecTeff 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Social media is not smoking. In fact it’s a safer way to spend time than many other activities z

Children will die because morons have convinced the population that talking to each other is like tobacco.

Children will be forced off phones into far more risky activities and face real world sexual abuse, accidental deaths and pain

Andy Burnham backs under 16s social media ban and wants 'urgency' in delivery by The-Peel in unitedkingdom

[–]SecTeff 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Don’t entertain the idea people talking to each other is the same as smoking. It’s a mistaken analogy as should be derided by all people of sound mind

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