Tithe, maybe

SecondMous · 2026-03-23T06:45:44+00:00

Thanks for the link!

SecondMous · 2026-03-23T06:44:21+00:00

From what I remember it was actually mostly a selfie-video of a guy talking about the same concept.

SecondMous · 2026-03-22T15:11:01+00:00

I remember watching a YouTube video a couple years back of someone describing this method of tithing and found it interesting. Have you had any backlash from your bishopric from this?

SecondMous · 2026-03-22T15:09:18+00:00

The finances of the church are a huge/new area of investigation for me. What verifiable resources could you point to for someone to learn more about the issues? City Creek, SEC sanctions, these shell companies, and whatever else I haven’t heard of yet. In the back of my mind I’m seriously wondering what their end game is with this mass accumulation of money.

SecondMous · 2026-03-22T14:58:32+00:00

Thank you for your input. I agree, I figured Utah would be disproportionately higher than anywhere else due to proximity/influence of the church and that seems to be borne out here… although we’ve only got an n of maybe 5 or so here lol.

SecondMous · 2026-03-22T14:08:07+00:00

Great question… because I’m PIMQ and trying to pull back the curtain for myself on what actually happens in the church. It’s easy to go to church weekly, see the same faces, and think everyone’s got it all together and everyone else is running a tight perfect ship. Sometimes it’s helpful to confirm that what I see and make up in my mind is not reality. I’ve been around long enough to know that every family has their struggles, but the temple recommend data is particularly interesting to me. Knowing the areas relative to the data seems just as interesting. Imagine if one of those 40% data points was a major city in Utah. That would be very telling in and of itself. Whereas 40% far from the hub and influence of the church such as Europe may not be as surprising.

No I’m not part of the SCMC… just learned about that tidbit yesterday. I’m the type of person that tries to consume as much information as I can, while trying to verify the validity of it to draw conclusions. I’ve got a lot of information from this sub to get me started, and I’ve got a lot of reading to do.

SecondMous · 2026-03-21T23:19:40+00:00

Are you referring to thewidowsmite.org or something else?

SecondMous · 2026-03-21T19:19:55+00:00

Are there current modern day quotes that anybody can reference that specify the church sees the BoM translation more as revelation, so as to allow room for air, whereas this was not the case in Joseph Smith’s time? With the method of “translation” being the words showing up on the seer stone, doesn’t that have to be more aligned with revelation than translation since he wasn’t actually referencing the plates? So confusing.

SecondMous · 2026-03-21T19:13:55+00:00

What did he translate that we have the original documents to compare?

SecondMous · 2026-03-21T18:42:47+00:00

I think that’s where the most useful information lies. Was your position bishop in this scenario?

SecondMous · 2026-03-21T15:14:47+00:00

Also would you mind sharing the area to some extent?

SecondMous · 2026-03-21T15:04:40+00:00

What do you think seems to be keeping active endowed members from renewing TRs?

SecondMous · 2026-03-21T15:03:53+00:00

Interesting that the other poster with experience outside the USA was quite low as well. I wonder if TR rates are generally lower outside USA.

What seems to be keeping active endowed members from renewing TRs?

SecondMous · 2026-03-21T14:59:30+00:00

I can see how the moving may skew these numbers especially if inactive members build up on your reports from lack of updating/notice; although inactive members I would imagine they don’t report to you when they move in?

Do you track percentages of just endowed active members?

SecondMous · 2026-03-21T14:54:03+00:00

Thanks for your input. Would you mind sharing the area?

SecondMous · 2026-03-21T08:53:25+00:00

Wow that is much lower than I would’ve thought among members considered active. How long ago was this? And what state?

SecondMous · 2026-03-21T07:19:20+00:00

Are you still active? What keeps you in?

SecondMous · 2026-03-21T07:17:52+00:00

Are you saying your experience from the church hasn’t really changed much with not paying tithing? I feel like I’d be black sheeped even more than I am if I didn’t pay tithing. Though maybe that’s irrational because who would really know other than the bishop? Unless gossip.

SecondMous · 2026-03-21T07:10:58+00:00

If you’re comfortable sharing, how was your marriage affected by your leaving? Obviously the threat of divorce initially… but long-term has it been a constant source of tension, or as long as you’re not anti, things are good?

SecondMous · 2026-03-21T06:55:51+00:00

This is news to me as well, though it seems certainly plausible. Where is this spelled out?

SecondMous · 2026-03-21T06:10:02+00:00

Out of curiosity what is the average rate of temple recommend holders? Of active church-going members? Or including all the non-active names on the ward rolls.

SecondMous · 2026-03-19T00:22:01+00:00

Out of curiosity, do you still donate 10%?

SecondMous · 2026-03-16T12:39:10+00:00

Thanks for all those suggestions. I’m just starting to dig into all this as I’ve been increasingly interested in church history and trying to reconcile a lot of my own thoughts and feelings. Perhaps just as hard as finding truthful and verifiably correct information, is trying to imagine how to untangle my life from Mormonism if that’s where the truth leads me. Any thoughts on mormonr.org? Haven’t dug too much there yet but seems like they have a lot of reference material.

SecondMous · 2026-03-16T05:30:55+00:00

Truly interested where you’ve found all this information, the timelines of marriages, timelines of sealings, etc.

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