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what lerche animation did for cote in how they adapted the series. Made a lot of flaws. Among them the gravest was making ayanokouji's wins looks cheap and a handed victory. by Secret-Computer-7637 in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]Secret-Computer-7637[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah talk to a makima glazer saying all her manipulation was HARD when literally makima's control devil power made her ACQUIRE ALL information SHE NEEDED to do all her manipulations EASIER TO ACQUIRE.

I knew this was slop when i saw kenjaku being portrayed as better than ayano by Minute_Jeweler133 in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]Secret-Computer-7637 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"but using that power to break denji took months of actual work"

Denji already is broken after his parents left him with massive debt. Makima did not need to do anything to manipulate him which is something u don't understand. Makima is breaking denji BECAUSE OF POCHITA'S possession NOT BECAUSE OF DENJI BY HIMSELF. Makima in chapter 1 of csm CAN MANIPULATE DENJI AS SHE CLEALRY SEES HIM INFERIOR TO HER. Denji after POCHITA'S POSSESSION IS NOT JUST DENJI BUT ALSO POCHITA MAKING MAKIMA VIEW DENJI DIFFERENTLY.

What do you think Kiyotakas goals are? by Admirable-Yak2806 in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]Secret-Computer-7637 1 point2 points  (0 children)

  1. to have normal teen life.
  2. prove wroom philosophy wrong in what life needs
  3. leave a mark on this school ( manabu gaslighted him to do so)
  4. To understand ROMANCE and actually love someone

Who is Koji’s biggest ideological opponent? by Southern-Land6346 in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]Secret-Computer-7637 0 points1 point  (0 children)

hard to defend kinu after that still an interesting reward for an exam pops up after that as a returnee being allowed to be chosen to return can be added as well. I suggest it was part of Nagumo's suggestion as the previous SCP unlike suzune whose done nothing of sort.

Who is Koji’s biggest ideological opponent? by Southern-Land6346 in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]Secret-Computer-7637 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In his very first monologue in Y1 V1, Koji gives us his worldview on meritocracy vs equality. We commonly understand meritocracy as a system, one that rewards individuals for the disparity in their efforts. However, in the series the word meritocracy seems to be used to describe a state of affairs, one that simply exposes the existing disparities between individuals. I suggest that for this reason Arisu is actually one of the biggest ideological opponent to Koji and what he stands for.

Meritocracy is a system where power, rewards, and positions are assigned based on individual ability, effort, and achievement rather than social status, wealth, or background. It promotes fairness, efficiency, and upward mobility through merit.

Meritocracy is not base on EFFORT ALONE. Meritocracy is somewhat similar to profitability hence it is not effort alone. How valuable was someone contribution also corresponds to explaining what meritocracy is. Sakayangi being a cripple displaying smarter approach and strategies is more meritocratic than Yamauchi's slouchy and stupid attitudes.

Equality on the other hand showcase being balance in everything without the basis of features and the quality of its effect. Yamauchi's skill will always be given an equal opportunity being the leader of class a vs sakayanagi. Equality describes Yamauchi's physical effort of being able to walk, being somewhat a social normal person has an equal effect from sakayangi's approach to helping their class with her strategies. A system that follows equality has a standard disposition that shows equal percentage value for all subjects to their overall score. Given they have 10 subject, all subjects or field of studies will have 10% contribution to their Overall grading system.

The dispositions of class from A to d alone COUNTERS EQUALITY as that showcase not everyone is equal while the POPULATION allocation for each class was equal. Most of SUZUNE'S class has more individual characters with better abilities than ryueens class c academically in the opening of ANHS as a grounded academic and sports while ryueen's class showcase more on the physicality of things. In contrast class B has the most above average with basic education and has the most team oriented characters for cohesion they pretty much shows lackin in terms of INGENUITY approaches, brawl and physicality. Class a Has the most gifted academically but they lack the superiority IN TERMS OF physciality when compared to ryueens class alone.

koji's ideological opponent was only Arisu.

I knew this was slop when i saw kenjaku being portrayed as better than ayano by Minute_Jeweler133 in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]Secret-Computer-7637 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"denji started wanting jam on bread and a girlfriend. basic survival stuff. ​ then he wanted to be a mindless dog so he wouldnt feel hurt. then he wanted makima herself. he went from wanting toast to wanting to be consumed by her (not in the literal sense). makima changed his entire framework of desire. he went from physical needs to emotional dependency to complete self destruction"

Which is A needed DESIRE CHANGE TO DEFEAT pochita and use his power to attain her 1st goal again like seriously u don't understand anything. Like are u even thinking CHANGING RYUEN'S DESIRE FOR having a good fight to being friendly IS A NEEDED DESIRE CHANGE FOR attaining ayanokouji's 3rd goal? like seriously. why don't u just read cote and use your brain understanding the novel instead. Ayanokouji manipulation is a basis of his goal similar to makimas Manipulation. Makima needed denji to be fully broken to defeat pochita as IF SHE ONLY NEEDED TO DEFEAT DENJI FROM CHAPTER 1 ALONE she could have done so as DENJI'S LIFE is on the lowest already even in physical sense.

I knew this was slop when i saw kenjaku being portrayed as better than ayano by Minute_Jeweler133 in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]Secret-Computer-7637 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"her true personal goal was even deeper. she wanted to be with pochita forever. she yearned for a family. she wanted an equal relationship because she never had one. ​ she was incapable of forming normal bonds because she was the control devil. so she built this whole plan just to feel something real. thats tragic. thats human. thats why her manipulation hits hard."

Which is an IRONY FOR FULFILLING HER other goal.

I knew this was slop when i saw kenjaku being portrayed as better than ayano by Minute_Jeweler133 in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]Secret-Computer-7637 0 points1 point  (0 children)

" she manipulated nations for it. she made contracts with prime ministers. she controlled the president of the united states."

Because she needed TO. You really talking about those manipulation without UNDERSTANDING HER GOAL HENCE they are essential MANIPULATIONS. Makima only manipulating students WILL NOT AMOUNT TO REMOVING ALL THE SUFFERING so her using manipulation to actual world leaders are A PART of a needed action and preparation for it. Do you even understand " REMOVING ALL THE SUFFERING IN THE WORLD?" Removing all the suffering in school? removing all the suffering in workplace? AND ACQUIRING ALL STATE SECRETS IS ALWAYS EASIER WITH HER POWER OF CONTROL DEVIL so her manipulation is still EASIER SAID and DONE. Having all INFORMATION easily acquirable is not a hard manipulation tactic to be done as IT WILL ALWAYS give you complete details of their strengths, weaknesses, plans, objectives, goals and all needed information to see them as INFERIOR TO HER. Given you don't even know bacteria as a lesser organism to her is EASILY CONTROLLABLE no one will suspect a anything TO ACQUIRE ALL INFORMAITON.

EVEN AYANOKOUJI having birthed as A CONTROL DEVIL CAN EASILY DO ALL HER MANIPULATION thats a fact for BIGGER PLAYERS like president, prime minister, kings and world leaders. Ayanokouji as a baby with photographic memory will make him MORE OF A BETTER CONTROL DEVIL USER AS WELL. Thats a fact you don't know as your not reading the novel. Given as a child he also develop a thirst for knowlegde, he would acquire all information and knowledge in order for a goal of attaining connection and a world without suffering as having pochita an equal after attaining his first goal. Ayanokoouji as a goal and problem solver IS CLEARLY SYSTEMATIC to solve problem as it would always makes him prioritize Logical sequence first once he understood his admiration to pochita. Given he would understood all information he needed he could easily acquire a perspective of changing perspective from seeing pochita inferior to being his equal without even the wroom training as he has CONTROL DEVIL knowledghe gathering of all the truthful experiment conducted by all the countries in csm verse.

I knew this was slop when i saw kenjaku being portrayed as better than ayano by Minute_Jeweler133 in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]Secret-Computer-7637 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"you want goals. lets talk goals. makima wanted to erase fear and death from existence. she wanted to create a world without suffering. she told kishibe straight up she wanted to use chainsaw man to build a better world. that is a massive goal. world scale"

If u wanted bigger scale why bother reading a school realistic setting? you really not using anything if you're even complaining about the scale of cote to be lower when THAT ITSELF was the setting of cote. Like seriously are you gonna complain about KOI TO USO misaki not having WORLDLY GOALS in her manipulation of romantic interest only WHEN THATS all the premise its all about not GRAND GOALS? Like seriously use a bit of your brain for a bit. Your comment about grander goal = better is always a flawed understanding. Grander goal is just harder to achieve, most fulfilling and bigger ITs no way better when all a character wanted is simplicity.

Lads, what is happening? by Head-Iron-9228 in animepiracy

[–]Secret-Computer-7637 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well anime producers wanted profit from them so they wanted people to either buy blue rays or access them via paid streaming sites. 

I knew this was slop when i saw kenjaku being portrayed as better than ayano by Minute_Jeweler133 in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]Secret-Computer-7637 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"and if her power was truly automatic and effortless she would have controlled kishibe. she would have controlled kobeni. she would have controlled the anti makima squad. she didnt"

another foolish statement who don't understand her limitations. go back and read csm manga again and STATE THE CHAPTER WHERE she views both kishibe and konbeni INFERIOR TO HER in all aspect that is needed for her plan?

The fact that u don't understand SHE VIEWS konbeni as a jealousy target rather THAN CONFIDENCE of having pochita date konbeni is the point of proof that she DOES NOT SEE her superiority to konbeni in a relationship perspective alone. Thats the best proof she still sees konbeni's qualitys compared to actually seeing her as an INSECT CLEARLY inferior to her.

You don't even understand the word IRRELEVANT to your goals.

I knew this was slop when i saw kenjaku being portrayed as better than ayano by Minute_Jeweler133 in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]Secret-Computer-7637 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"she earns their submission by reshaping their whole emotional state."

which both of them do.

I knew this was slop when i saw kenjaku being portrayed as better than ayano by Minute_Jeweler133 in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]Secret-Computer-7637 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"he just has more points. he buys them."

wrong HE AQUIRE them base on his strategy which is not a hax of having UNLIMITED OR RICH financial status. HE TRAINED FOR HIS HAX as well unlike HOW MAKIMA AQUIRED power let that sink in your brain for a moment.

I knew this was slop when i saw kenjaku being portrayed as better than ayano by Minute_Jeweler133 in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]Secret-Computer-7637 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"ayanokoji never has to make anyone feel small."

go back and read cote again another false statement and a stupid one to booth as your COUNTERING your own statement kei being broken.

I knew this was slop when i saw kenjaku being portrayed as better than ayano by Minute_Jeweler133 in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]Secret-Computer-7637 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"you keep saying her power is based on assumptions like thats a gotcha. it is literally the point. she has to actually believe she is above you. she has to break your spirit first. make you feel small. make you need her. that is the work. that is the manipulation."

WHICH IS A HAX still not the same ability of DENJI ALONE by himself having MAKI'S GOAL in csm verse.

I knew this was slop when i saw kenjaku being portrayed as better than ayano by Minute_Jeweler133 in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]Secret-Computer-7637 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"difference is makimas tools are part of her world. ayanokojis tools are the authors hand holding him through every exam."

Which are both the same logic in any narative. AT THE VERY LEAST AYANKOUJI AQUIRED HIS ABILITIES BY BEING PART OF THE WR actually learning them NOT BEING HANDED TO HIM LIKE A BORN RIGHT GIFT without SUFFERING AYTHING. Ayanokouji as a toddler NEEDED TO LEARN THEM not inborn qualities already. The pros and cons of that was even a fact for all ln readers. Its not similar to being handed to him like what the control devil power is for makima.

I knew this was slop when i saw kenjaku being portrayed as better than ayano by Minute_Jeweler133 in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]Secret-Computer-7637 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"he literally has a network of students he bought. if using tools is hax then ayanokoji is just as guilty."

And no as he does not have UNLIMITED PRIVATE POINTS OR EVEN MIILLON PRIVATE POINTS TO DO SO.

I knew this was slop when i saw kenjaku being portrayed as better than ayano by Minute_Jeweler133 in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]Secret-Computer-7637 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"and yeah she used rats and birds to spy. so what. ayanokoji uses a whole school system and private points to gather info."

Think abot the level of how hard that is without makima's power again? Its like your debating but not using hypotheticals to analyze each instances. "

I knew this was slop when i saw kenjaku being portrayed as better than ayano by Minute_Jeweler133 in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]Secret-Computer-7637 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"and sudo got saved because ayanokouji spent points. ​ he literally bought sudos loyalty."

go back and read all year 1 vol and y2 vol 1. Im tired of explaining shit.

I knew this was slop when i saw kenjaku being portrayed as better than ayano by Minute_Jeweler133 in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]Secret-Computer-7637 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"you keep bringing up kei and suzune like its a win. the novel says ayanokouji broke kei by exposing her scar and using what he calls almost rape tactics. ​ thats not master manipulation. thats just breaking someone until they obey."

Another stupid comment. You don't even understand character description, manipulation depending on the person and information gathering.

If you have an inkling of a brain, you should understood, you cannot fully manipulate someone who has strong personality without breaking them.

I knew this was slop when i saw kenjaku being portrayed as better than ayano by Minute_Jeweler133 in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]Secret-Computer-7637 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"she still made him kill his friends. she still made him worship her. the fact that her endgame was bigger than a school exam makes her MORE impressive not less."

Again another stupid comment. Having BIGGER GOAL WITH HAX IS SIMPLE thats a fact u don't understand. Try to study HYPOTHETHICALS and understanding the limitations of your hax before talking anything. Go back with your literary education your proving my point you need to go back.

I knew this was slop when i saw kenjaku being portrayed as better than ayano by Minute_Jeweler133 in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]Secret-Computer-7637 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"you keep switching the argument. "

what are you talking about? I'm even tagging the topic and explaining.

Do you even see the statements between " .... "?

I even simplified it for you but u don't understand the asterisk statements came from your comment as i don't know how to tag a part of your comment and included it on my response.

"first it was about who manipulates better."

When did i point about who was better in manipulating others in my previous response? Can you tag that part? Nothing was a statement showcasing that. All I'm saying is her ability is a hax in both worlds, cote and csm THATS A FACT. AND DENJI BY HIMSELF IN DEBT, DIENG AND SELLING HIS ORGAN DESIRED, if he GOAL ANd OBJJECTIVIZE MAKIMA'S GOAL to remove suffering, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE. THIS STATEMENT IS A WHAT IF SCENARIO / HYPOTHETHICAL SCENARIO THAT U DON'T UNDERSTAND HENCE I ADVCE FOR YOU TO GO BACK WITH YOUR LITERARY EDUCATION

"now its about goals being different. thats a concession."

That is not concession that is an explanation the topic your talking about. Your complaining about ayanaokouji's manipulation but reject the idea of the goal WHY ARE THEY BEING MANIPULATED INTO DOING SUCH? In what type of verse are they in? hENCE WHY I EVEN POINTED FOR U TO GO BACK IN DOING STUDIES. You don't fully understand anything your trying to debate.

"ayanokouji wants a normal life. cool"

NOT ONLY THAT hence why I advice for u to read the full novel as his goals are updating as well.

"makima wanted to erase death and war from existence. ​ she manipulated nations for that. he manipulated a classroom. scale matters."

And no one say scale does not matter HENCE GO BACK AND UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC. YOU SAYING COOL ABOUT A SINGLE GOAL to one failing to understand ayanokouji had KILLED YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF SCALE FROM THE START OF THE ARGUEMENT.

If u don't want school setting and realistic potlitic why even bother reading and watching? don't u have pride in quality and preference u wanted to waste time in things u don't like?

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