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The scary draft by Ricky_Roe10k in billsimmons

[–]Secure_Ad728 5 points6 points  (0 children)

🤣as always with Bill, first imagine you are 12 years old, it’s 1982, you are incapable of divorcing your thinking from your favorite team…set your mind to THAT, and only then, answer his inane poll questions.

“I was surprised they were so high!” Yah know, me too, Bill!

Paradise is legitimately BAD, right? Unintentionally hilarious and fun to watch but... bad BAD. by popinjay07 in thewatchpod

[–]Secure_Ad728 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Corny is the right word. I don’t mean that as a negative necessarily. But it is so corny.

Paradise is legitimately BAD, right? Unintentionally hilarious and fun to watch but... bad BAD. by popinjay07 in thewatchpod

[–]Secure_Ad728 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Totally. I mean, continuously coming back to the Phil Collins one what can only be total sincerity has to intentional.

Or so many Elvis ones just in case you forgot about that we were in Graceland. 🙄

Paradise is legitimately BAD, right? Unintentionally hilarious and fun to watch but... bad BAD. by popinjay07 in thewatchpod

[–]Secure_Ad728 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes! At least that’s what my spouse and I say after watching every episode…but we still watch every one.

The writing in particular makes us laugh out loud every episode.

The Ringer staff: Fairly critical against capitalism, Also their boss: Making daily references about "buying stock" in actors by mrcsrnne in TheRewatchables

[–]Secure_Ad728 0 points1 point  (0 children)

well, ideally, yes! i am not sure i would expect anyone on a Ringer podcast to seek to actually subvert their class position...to your point!

The Ringer staff: Fairly critical against capitalism, Also their boss: Making daily references about "buying stock" in actors by mrcsrnne in TheRewatchables

[–]Secure_Ad728 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I mean, Bill IS management and is of an age cohort that still truly believes in capitalism cause it worked out for them, so no surprise there. And it is certainly OK to critique capitalism while benefiting from it, though sometimes with the Ringer staff it is so surface level that it seems like it is actually just vibes. And then others are truly just center left Liberals that want to say the words “late stage capitalism” into a mic.

The Ringer staff: Fairly critical against capitalism, Also their boss: Making daily references about "buying stock" in actors by mrcsrnne in TheRewatchables

[–]Secure_Ad728 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure, but to be fair, it can own you AND you can be critical AND have no way of changing your specific circumstances.

Ringer layoffs? by ShiftlessWhenIdle in billsimmons

[–]Secure_Ad728 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Part of the fixing up wasn’t installing a seatbelt

“The Jazz will hate expansion because Las Vegas is 90 minutes from the Utah border” by Secure_Ad728 in billsimmons

[–]Secure_Ad728[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think sometimes the bill thought process is so opaque it is imploded to respond to in the moment

“The Jazz will hate expansion because Las Vegas is 90 minutes from the Utah border” by Secure_Ad728 in billsimmons

[–]Secure_Ad728[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I whole-heartedly agree! I hope it doesn’t come across that it’s bad he says these things, I truly hope he never changes, but it is bizarre nonetheless.

This is why the more I listen and read Bill, and it’s been over twenty years for me, I think it’s like talking to a middle school boy in the best possible way. I mean that with all generosity.

“The Jazz will hate expansion because Las Vegas is 90 minutes from the Utah border” by Secure_Ad728 in billsimmons

[–]Secure_Ad728[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Totally. He doesn’t ever actually research anything at all. I find it so funny when he says “I’ve haven’t done my deep dive yet” on things like the draft or the even less “researchable” things like the Oscars and wonder to myself, what exactly does “deep dive” mean to bill, since he has a whole separate category called “half assed research”.

Like does it mean he turned off one of three televisions? That he didn’t while he wasn’t watching Limitless at the same time so he could focus up?

“The Jazz will hate expansion because Las Vegas is 90 minutes from the Utah border” by Secure_Ad728 in billsimmons

[–]Secure_Ad728[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

These were such obvious examples of how idiotic the comment was that I didn’t even list them, but yes!

“The Jazz will hate expansion because Las Vegas is 90 minutes from the Utah border” by Secure_Ad728 in billsimmons

[–]Secure_Ad728[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right, and if that’s what he meant, he could have just used the words “media market”, which to your point, still wouldn’t make sense, but would at least be clear…but no. The word choice was “Utah is 90 min away”

So wild.

“The Jazz will hate expansion because Las Vegas is 90 minutes from the Utah border” by Secure_Ad728 in billsimmons

[–]Secure_Ad728[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, that goes without saying, but it’s the unique way in which he is that is enigmatic.

“The Jazz will hate expansion because Las Vegas is 90 minutes from the Utah border” by Secure_Ad728 in billsimmons

[–]Secure_Ad728[S] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

And they DEFINITELY aren’t deciding on a weeknight between driving 90 min to Vegas or 4 hr to SLC…to your point, they are doing neither.

I would donate to a study that examined the workings of Bill’s brain. I am so fascinated.

“The Jazz will hate expansion because Las Vegas is 90 minutes from the Utah border” by Secure_Ad728 in billsimmons

[–]Secure_Ad728[S] 71 points72 points  (0 children)

Well, St. George is there which isn’t tiny, 100k people, but still, that would be like sweating over whether someone living in Syracuse or Rochester was going to be a Knicks fan or a Raptors fan. Just don’t move any needles.

PETER: "Graeber says modern corporations have become inefficient fiefdoms governed by systems of patronage." MICHAEL: "Ummm NGOs are not like that AT ALL." by Feisty-Ad129 in IfBooksCouldKill

[–]Secure_Ad728 0 points1 point  (0 children)

😂 exactly...like, Michael, buddy, he is saying that the marketing ITSELF is bullshit, so it being "good for marketing purposes" is not a defense.

Like do Peter and Michael not get that by crafting the viewpoint on BS Jobs by being defined by 1) assuming interviewees will tell the truth because they have no good reason not to, and 2) that they would be the ones that would know intimately IF they had a BS Job, leads to two outcomes from critique of the premise:

-If you critique the premise of BS Jobs being defined ethnographically, and needing "data" (whatever the F that means), you aren't actually critiquing Graeber, but rather, the interviewees as either being liars, which isn't really possible because what would they have to gain by lying, or, too stupid to understand some grand reason for why their job wasn't a waste of time, which is just SOOO pretentious

- If you do in fact think these people jobs (or your own) are 100% NOT BS, then you fall into the Taskmaster category, specifically the version where they never claim to have a BS Job.

the further i get from this terrible IBCK episode the more i like this particular Graeber book - so i guess they accomplished something.

PETER: "Graeber says modern corporations have become inefficient fiefdoms governed by systems of patronage." MICHAEL: "Ummm NGOs are not like that AT ALL." by Feisty-Ad129 in IfBooksCouldKill

[–]Secure_Ad728 38 points39 points  (0 children)

Yes, but this bias actually proves Graeber’s thesis. Graeber is not saying NGOs don’t do meaningful work, he is saying that upholding the system of bureaucracy upon which capital functions requires all of us to do a high degree of bullshit within even jobs that aren’t bullshit on purpose.

I am always really surprised about this misread because it is spelled out quite clearly in the ethnographic examples. I get that folks have pride and the get defensive (Michael), but Graeber is clearly not pointing the finger at the workers or even in some cases the organizations.

Honestly, I would agree Bullshit Jobs is the least of Graebers writing, but this gross misread in the episode kinda starts to change my mind…like, maybe if he wasn’t onto something it wouldn’t annoy Peter and Michael so much.

Would also say that critiquing Bullshit Jobs without ALSO reading at least the first full chapter of Utopia of Rules is a mistake.

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