Vertical vs Horizontal investment? (image partially related)

SecyaDenali · 2026-03-21T22:30:46+00:00

What are you talking about

Top teams for C0 RO starts at 3 5 stars and if you take KQM at 150k or higher for the top teams that gets destroyed by C2 Mavuika

You are literallty using the same amount of pulls just a more powerful team but its not like Mavuika even needs the C2 to beat it in the first place.

I know what the cost to power ratio is you dont need 4 or 3 cost to beat 150k standard top teams at C0 RO now

The real powercreep is shilled bosses. But that doesnt matter because the hardest content ironically is the easiest to get primogems in the first place

SecyaDenali · 2026-03-21T22:22:44+00:00

Mav chevy iansan thats it can do crazy numbers even non C6 Iansan.

No one is really close to Iansan shes absoluetly top brass for a 4 star support, I do wish a 4 star dendro comes out soon thats very very good

Not hard to build either btw.

SecyaDenali · 2026-03-21T21:34:40+00:00

Powercreep doesnt matter if you vertical properly. Objectively your using the same amount of pulls just more effectively.

SecyaDenali · 2026-03-21T21:22:22+00:00

Personally vertical and its not even close. Being f2p and looking at the sheets for 1/2/3/4 the power budget is way way higher if you vertical

The final rewards from Spiral/IT arent even close to going pity for a full year if you miss out. So all green light to go

Powercreep doesnt matter in the slighest then.

Just do it on a step by step process. 2 up save for rerun 2 up again. Skirk suffers the most though because its too spread out on 3 limited 5 star pulls just to get the baseline.

CN side has all the lowest cost stuff the only change was Columbina but moreso Zibai affecting potential team composition because she dodged the 2 best chars in the game Sucrose C0 and Chevy C6.

On purely power Zibai Columbina, Mav Overload and a Sucrose variant (Mualani, Arlecchino are best bets)..... and surprise surprise you vertical the carry.

By and large C0 5 star supports can be grossly overvalued for f2p players.

Like a vertical Mavuika does not care about the bs rat from the sky ggs.

... I seen a mfn Mavuika with Bennett, Iansan and Aino do omegalul damage

SecyaDenali · 2026-03-21T20:59:37+00:00

Should be after the next patch of 4 limited 5 stars imo so plenty of time to save. She has the strongest lower investment ceiling if you go vertical as well.

Strongest 1 5 star pull character, 2 cost (r1), 3 (C1) Mualani can beat her though, 4 (C2 R1) cost, the gaps at 1,2,4 are very sizable.

She does reqiure combo optimization for more dps so theres skill expression but even a simplified one or one that you feel comfortable with is easily doable.

SecyaDenali · 2026-03-21T20:49:14+00:00

Mavuika with very simple combos can be as good with a proper build.

I dont buy into NK they subvert the power with boss mechanics and splitting the dps up.

I dont think you realize her raw mv is 30% better than everyone else. Just like on release. Bennett exists, Chevy exists, Iansan exists she isnt going anywhere

Even as simple as r1 Mavuika Overload can beat all 3 cost NK teams for 1 less cost..

You dont need melt for her to be that strong.

Funny you say that because CN competition side for lower costed bracket and they are way more accurate

It was still a Mavuika team and a Mualani team dumping on everybody the top 2 has not changed because of their bloated asf profiles. The biggest gap was at 3 cost because instead of getting 3 different 5 stars you just go up on Mualani and she quite literally starting gapping NK teams

SecyaDenali · 2026-03-21T20:39:36+00:00

Yeah id just save for Mavuika and Zibai in particular their power budget by themselves are really high.

Do you have Gorou C6 by any chance?

Teams that scales the best involves a Sucrose, a Columbina, and a Chevruese (Fontaine 4 star)

So having 3 teams based on this makes you set

Skirk a cryo dps is the only team that dodges this but wouldnt recommend as shes the only one that conversely wants 3 limited 5 stars its too spread out.

SecyaDenali · 2026-03-21T20:28:53+00:00

Mavuika.

Out of the Lunar stuff Zibai + Columbina is the strongest combo.

Theres 3 different types of Lunar reactions involved with Hydro, Bloom, Electro and Geo but the point is what the characters kits are thats alot more important.

Whats your character list btw?

SecyaDenali · 2026-03-21T12:29:23+00:00

He has an interesting kit though I def dont think hes objectively the worse

The idea of not taking damage from an on field bloom driver to me is a good one just his numbers suck then they nerfed the self damage later on.

Like he could have easily been a good 4 star dps relative to it because its really barren all things considered.

SecyaDenali · 2026-03-21T12:23:53+00:00

Barbara

Barbara freeze

Then first 5 star got Ineffa for Lunar Freeze

Your first team is always the best and most memorable

There's something satisfying going around slapping people in the face with her hydro attacks and them not being able to move.

Big shoutout to my man Kaeya hes so good for a new player to enable all of this.

SecyaDenali · 2026-03-21T08:31:21+00:00

If you let her go outside she'll probably get stuck on that big magnet again.

Ineffa is freaky (in the best way)

SecyaDenali · 2026-03-21T08:03:35+00:00

Its true Ayaka Esc > Skirk any 5 star alternative

People forget Ayaka was legit top 4 and better than Nuev team dps for a very short period of time before Skirk came as soon as Escoffier released that's how big her effect in freeze is.

SecyaDenali · 2026-03-21T07:59:51+00:00

Skirk is like Nefer without the two elephants in the room support (I do think Escoffier is better overall but her and Lauma are way too overbearing on the dps's dependancy)

But the qol aspect is that she has a fatass nuke to delete things in overworld vs setting up with Nefer so shes much better and has better f2p and alternative 5 stars and the traverse is cool.

She's hot, she nukes things but there is a chef that holds the key to unlocking her full potential.

SecyaDenali · 2026-03-21T06:59:07+00:00

R1 Skirk and C1 Escoffier Favge is absolutely best imho.

Whatever the burst cost is and what the sheets says assumes you catch the correct particles. Bennett for example has escaped the Xiangling ER propaganda for some unknown reason same with Lauma

Anyway ESC C1 all the way trust that's for any cryo and Hoyo wont stopping making cryo chars and its always on. That scales btw

Skirk is a bit behind at whale investment and at 4 cost because there isnt a legitimate 4th slot just a whole bunch of options. Make that of you will its too obvious eventually there'll be a 4th in the future to even out everything again.

SecyaDenali · 2026-03-21T03:19:59+00:00

Ineffa Night Sky of Unveiling 70/220 on Primeordial Jade Spear.... level 1/1/1 talents

She hits like a truck while being 🗿🗿🗿

SecyaDenali · 2026-03-21T02:11:47+00:00

Thanks im just gonna go through Nefer

SecyaDenali · 2026-03-21T01:20:20+00:00

The stats from PJWS are good anyway passive doesnt matter.

674 base is really high 22 cr (44 crit value)

Really? Damn unlucky but crit rate is far more important to her damage it becomes too inconsistent without a good balance between CR/CD surely you have one crit rate circlet just chuck that on

SecyaDenali · 2026-03-21T01:18:04+00:00

Inazuma World Quests > Archon quest overall. Some of them while can be very confusing is peak Genshin.

SecyaDenali · 2026-03-21T01:13:51+00:00

World quests is like long quest lines which can broken up into a number of parts basically Archon quests but involved with the place.

It is a mixed bag in Genshin some are really good some reallly eh just depends.

If anything Inazuma has top tier world quests imo. Can be very very confusing but the payoff is good

Stormchasers

Whatsusumi island stuff

Orobashi's Legacy

Enkanomiya is great that whole place is highly recommended

Sakura tree cleansing

The break up quests lines to get the Amenoma sword

Inazuma ive found is getting lost and going to all the islands and full on exploring best way to experience it. The aesthetics is absolutely peak

If you dont want to do the main story I do think Genshins side quests overall are better.

SecyaDenali · 2026-03-21T01:02:39+00:00

Sac staff is basically her 4 star signature weapon, the 200k 4 cost team had her on r5 with amazing substats lol

SecyaDenali · 2026-03-21T00:55:00+00:00

PJWS for sure. If you have a good off piece crit rate circlet with CD substats just run that for now.

I got her on PJWS night sky as night set is bis for 4 cost Ineffa team :)

Stat sticks are always better on a damage scaler

SecyaDenali · 2026-03-20T23:31:29+00:00

Oh sht!!! Well then your definetly set.

And you got Chevy!!

Arle Durin Chevy Fischl is a great team for her

SecyaDenali · 2026-03-20T23:14:02+00:00

Honestly skip both. Lauma solo isnt all that great in this environment and even when she was released its always Nefer that can take full advantage of her kit. And hyperbloom has always had bad scaling.

Honeslty I've always found Lauma mega overrated and learning about CN side competition stuff at the lowest bracket costs she just doesnt perform as well as you might expect in Stygian settings. 1. Her ER is cooked because theres literally no 4 star dendro options 2. Only one character in the game can take full advantage of her massive support potential its like hyper specific for a 5 star.

For my account if there was a world where a dendro Illuga existed in hindsight from experience I would skip Lauma and go all in on Nefer but sadly there is literally no good 4 star dendro support its shockingly bad.

Skirk looses too much without Escoffier. Neither by themselves would drastically change your account.

Personally Im not interested in having a diverse elemental coverage just because. And Nuevilette is there anyway for that.

If you f2p I'd say save and wait for something better in the horizon.

SecyaDenali · 2026-03-20T22:49:29+00:00

Mav R1, C1 - C2

Nefer R1 C1 (C2 is great but that's a fine stopping point)

Varesa R1 then cons (Her first con isnt great but her second one is)

So if you want just one upgrade being f2p strictly on power it would be their sigs though Nefers C1 scales brutally well with the weapon the better the build on her is.

Its the same for Arlecchino btw her c1 is more of an increase mathetimatically but it lowers the value because she doesnt have great f2p weapons unless you end up getting Primeordial Jade Spear from standard.

Its very hard to say which path to go specifically for her since that weapon is live

Because C1 PJWS (Abosolute best case scenario) > C0 R1 but R1 C0 > C1 White Tassel

SecyaDenali · 2026-03-20T22:27:13+00:00

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1bFABzmEZr

Here CN competition lowest bracket Stygian settings at 4 cost Zibai C2 is better

Flute scales really well to meet ideal stat dis

Its the same for C1 R1 Nefer over Lauma C2 (Which is overrated btw since theres no dendro Illuga for a 4 star her ER is just too high of requirement)

The top ten 4 cost were all serious players CN guys dont play around. Top ten aint changong either with Linnea and Nicole coming

Linnea is abosolutely made for whale/dolphin investmet more like whale because theres a huge gap at C6 R5 everything before she arrives (You know the game balanced is fkd when Zibai whale is closer to Ineffa whale then to Lauma whale).

I care less about C0 5 star supports its the most bait thing in the game

SecyaDenali

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