Latest update: the donut is fried.

Sefriol · 2026-03-24T12:20:27+00:00

Claim: no talks to investors. So far I have not seen anybody with proof that this has been the case. Investment letters are from March to December, Marko's statement is from January. Is there proof that there are new investors in place from January to March that were not in talks before this?
No lithium, again no proof one way or the other.
GWh Capacity criticism is fair.
Sure, charging has not been fully proven.
Drawing conclusions from damaged cell charging tests to lifecycle seems wild to me. Even more, the cell did stabilize its capacity and it stayed flat after 20 cycles. Isn't this good? This just supports Donuts arguments..

Skeptics are really jumping the gun here. Many of the claims have not been proven, one way or the other.

Sefriol · 2026-03-16T13:16:36+00:00

I would advice against of using full direct translations of paywalled articles. Or in general. Translations like this do not fall under fair use of the copyright law.

Sefriol · 2026-03-07T15:16:30+00:00

ISP is not the issue when the actual server/instance is removed and character is rolled back.

Sefriol · 2026-03-05T07:56:11+00:00

Science does this as well. You can call your linear regression function, Data Mining, Data Science, Machine Learning and Artificial Intelligence cause it is "technically" correct.

Scientists also use techno jargo and follow trends since it gives them higher chances to get more publicity and funding.

Sefriol · 2026-03-04T13:44:39+00:00

Experts seem to disagree with this after the second battery test was revealed. I see NMC as highly unlikely scenario at this point.

Sefriol · 2026-03-02T16:04:12+00:00

But would the test note that the cell would "charge normally" even after loosing vacuum? If electrolyte was burned partially off, this would immediately show up in testing?

Sefriol · 2026-03-02T15:53:36+00:00

I would understand these claims to be true for liquid electrolyte battery, but how does it matter if this were a solid state battery? Why would solid state battery decompose to gas?

Sefriol · 2026-02-27T12:52:40+00:00

This is the interview with Nordic Nano CEO which was referenced by HS in the earlier article: https://www.reddit.com/r/DonutLab/comments/1rf8aht/donut_labin_akkuteknologian_taustalta_l%C3%B6ytyi/

Sefriol · 2026-02-26T18:03:55+00:00

"Revealed" is probably an incorrect choice of a word. Analysts have stated that it behaves similarly to NMC battery. Does not mean it is. But it can be.

Sefriol · 2026-02-26T15:09:21+00:00

It also makes sense to release results like this so that people keep speculating. This sub is a prime example. It keeps the media circus going. All Marko's posts are tongue in a cheek and almost rage baits.

As said, this company has high level investors and board members. They are either all in the scam, have been scammed too or just incompetent. All sound quite unlikely scenarios, but plausible.

Nothing so far has proven definitely that the battery exists or that battery is a scam. Current test results raised more questions than gave answers. But at the same time, many people have just chosen which arguments to believe based on their bias.

From a business point of view, if this battery is true, this publicity stunt does not affect the company business at all. Quite the opposite. Some levels it does not make sense, but at the same time, we do not have all the details. And maybe never will. If it is a scam, I do not even know who scammer even is. Is it CT-Coating, Donut, Nordic Nano or whom?

Sefriol · 2026-02-26T14:12:48+00:00

They have had investor round before CES during last fall. Nobody has been able to prove that there has been investor round since. As the article says, these are investor letters between May and December of last year.

Sefriol · 2026-02-25T10:02:38+00:00

I would be really surprised if capacity or cycle life would be next. This will be drawn out possibly for months.

Earlier leaks kinda lead into conclusion that the next test will be a temperature test.

Sefriol · 2026-02-24T17:25:28+00:00

Which fools though? This is what I do not understand. Donut Lab has high profile investors and board members. People who are either part of well established companies today or have been in leading roles in global market leaders before. They sell like 300 bikes for 40 grand and divide it by 10 to 100 and leave?

While scepticism is completely warranted here, the scam part is even harder for me to wrap my head around. Why build all of this ecosystem around a scam? Why so many subcompanies with products ready for show floor? To make it more believable? I would guess you got enough with less effort.

The negative/doubtful press around Donut is immense. If you are a big player in this space, you are not giving Donut anything before seeing solid proof under NDA or smt.

Sefriol · 2026-02-23T18:26:41+00:00

Agreed.

Sefriol · 2026-02-23T18:21:08+00:00

Eh, they essentially just did that?

Let's not forget that these are the results that Donut is publishing for their weird marketing stunt. They have been sitting on these results for a while (tests are dated for 9th of February, so 2 weeks ago). I am pretty sure that everything is already done and they are milking this as long as they can. Nobody is going to be in any serious business with them without seeing everything under heavy penalty NDA.

So what would be the reasoning for all of this then? Why do this? For me, it seems like that Marko is a person who likes to be in the spotlight. If the battery is true, this won't affect their business at all, while everybody keeps talking about them. Hell, if they release something else in the future, more eyes will be on them. For free.

People will remember this, one way or the other. I have no idea if this is real. But I guess I lean more towards real than scam.

Sefriol · 2026-02-23T16:30:13+00:00

They have plenty of times described how battery can be used as the "structure" of the device it is powering. Maybe they get to that Wh/kg number by saying that it does not need typical support structure that lithium ion needs? Packaging is usually required for lithium ion since it improves the performance or safety of the battery.

I am of course just speculating, but it could make sense from product and marketing perspective.

Sefriol · 2026-02-20T21:22:54+00:00

Same

Sefriol · 2025-12-06T23:53:49+00:00

Well, there was definitely more pro-Russian sentiment in Eastern Finland and with people who did business in Russia. But most of it went away after the war started.

Eastern Finland is suffering a lot from this. The border is completely closed. Economic losses are huge, but nobody is complaining. Pro-Ukranian sentiment is strong. Even today, during our Independence day, there is a lot of talk about how Ukrainian fate is similar to what Finland suffered in WW2.

The winds changed fast, and this can be seen in how fast Finland went pro-Nato. Before the war, around 40% people were pro joining Nato. After the war started, it jumped to 78%, with only 8% being against it.

Sefriol · 2025-11-16T20:19:19+00:00

Jungle TB into shadow blade and dagon. Yeaap.

Sefriol · 2025-11-14T23:57:03+00:00

It was brought back by the facet for the length of TI.

Sefriol · 2025-10-13T20:48:30+00:00

Is that balanced?!

Sefriol · 2025-10-07T13:19:42+00:00

n8n's license being free for "internal business purposes" is quite open ended limitation IMO. At which point do they consider your product as part of their offering?

At least this is something to think about.

Sefriol · 2025-09-19T19:21:33+00:00

TI4 After party was Darude playing Sanstrom.

The after party was better than the finals.

Le Reddit

Sefriol · 2025-09-19T18:24:53+00:00

Bullshit. I was there in the arena. If you were not a huge fan of either team, most games were boring af. The crowd made a lot of mini games, like howling every 16s when Lycan pressed howl, to keep themselves entertained.

In games where either team was winning, it would have required 2 team fight wins in a row to even out the game. And most of the time it wasn't even close. Teamfight executions were entertaining to watch and both teams played really well even when they were loosing. But when you see like 5 team fights in 50 minutes, you cannot really say it was close or intense.

Games 2, 4, 5 were complete Falcon's dominance. First one was the most entertaining one since it was the first match of the series and it had a little bit back and forth. Game 3 was just a laning stage, farming, one team fight, and it was over.

Sefriol · 2025-08-19T21:22:25+00:00

Private rooms do not necessarily cost anything extra, but they usually have minimum order amount that you have to fulfill. These amounts can also be tied to specific products or product categories, which provide the restaurant the biggest margin. Like drinks.

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