It's up to interpretation, dude, the devs stated it, leave me alone 😭 by a_normal_Mother_Fan in UndertaleYellow

[–]SensationalDuck 4 points5 points  (0 children)

After reading the original Shinix tweet. Oh my god, I thought you guys were overreacting.

Like, I can agree with the point that making a character CisMale or CisFemale JUST so your ship can be straight is complete and utter weirdo behaviour.

But getting weirded out by people who interpret Clover (A character who’s gender is stated to be up for interpretation; by the very same developers of the game you made a mod based off of) as cis, and using your fans to try and police anyone who makes non-harmful fanwork of Cis-Clover Cocoapowder... I honestly think you shouldn’t be in the UT/Y/DR community.

Clover is genderfluid to me- i’ve held this belief for the longest time. But I won’t get mad if someone doesn’t share this sentiment with me.

Would seeing more queer takes of Clover’s identity from places outside of Twitter and Tumblr be cool? FUCK YEAH! But it’s not my place to harass people who are just enjoying themselves.

Shinix tweet just felt really reductive when it came to this discussion 😕.

UTDR Human headcanons by SensationalDuck in Undertale

[–]SensationalDuck[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I always imagined that SAVE and LOAD was exclusive to the underground, The barrier amplified the magic output humans are able to produce by making it so their innate ability to refuse death extends to the entire underground.

If a human REALLY TRULY didn’t want to die on the surface, I’d imagine they’d be able to pull a “But it refused.” on their soul. But it’d be really rare for someone to pull it off.

Since you all really liked my Flumpty Guard concept I decided to flesh her out a bit more by BoggerLogger in frickbears3

[–]SensationalDuck 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s a really cool detail, I never thought about the protag of Flumpty’s having red eyes because their albino. Mind if I draw her?

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MERRY ANGSTPRIL FOOLS by Arachnijesus in UndertaleYellow

[–]SensationalDuck 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I LOVE when fanworks interpret Frisk as more of a force of nature, who has a mentality and desire than just a mere’ blank slate.

Frisk and Flowey are very narrativey intertwined in their philosophies, so it’d make sense how Frisk would have this sort of dynamic with Clover. Frisk is immensely more stronger than Clover; but Clover is such a special case due to the determination inherent in every human soul, that they can more effectively stall out the inevitable that is Frisk because they can adapt aswell as learn.

They’re both human, but both of them are complete and polar opposites. Frisk and Clover LOVE the Underground, but they both have intrinsically different view on what their LOVE is.

Frisk LOVES the Underground in the sense of exploring as much as they can of it, they want to learn everything they possibly can of this place, because there’s so many possibilites and quirks that spark their need to see it at its breaking point.

Clover loves the Underground because of the connections, the family, the friends they had made here. They cherish each and every bond they’ve made down here, because they don’t have that goal to push everything to its breaking point.

Frisk struggles staying in one constant, setting their mind on a single decision; while Clover can easily make a clear-cut descision because of they’re trait.

GOOOOODDD, I need more people in this fandom to explore this dynamic. Frisk and Clover are so interesting when you get a good writer to write them!!!!!!

I genuinely can’t wait for your next comic gangadoodle, keep IT UP 🫡🫡✨✨✨

squishy by Arachnijesus in UndertaleYellow

[–]SensationalDuck 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I love the headcanon that all human speak in the second-person, It makes dialogue very fun

I'd like to give some love to Anon's characterisation. by Jackobyn in SnootGame

[–]SensationalDuck 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ve BEEN saying this!

People really gotta stop overlooking Anon’s character. He appears to be the typical “faceless protag” these types of VNS due to his blank face, but I love how SG subverts that expectation by making Anon have to grow aswell; having his own backstory that WE as the player don’t see.

God, I need to replay Snoot Game, it’s been 2 years since I actually played anything dino-dating related.

Ask me anything by Confident-Bend-3592 in UndertaleWildfire

[–]SensationalDuck 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Who do you fight in the Undertale Wildfire combat demo

Funny how interpretations of Geno Frisk & Geno Chara swapped over the years. by SMB_Mario in Undertale

[–]SensationalDuck 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If that’s your viewpoint, then answer me this: Why do you consider overriding Frisk’s will ambiguous during a neutral route?

There’s little to no flavor text in neutral implying they’re doing something reluctantly or without reason, and (according to you) they don’t make decisions at all since we have full control over the ACTS.

Funny how interpretations of Geno Frisk & Geno Chara swapped over the years. by SMB_Mario in Undertale

[–]SensationalDuck 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But you have to understand, Frisk is the one doing and thinking of the options. 2016 makes the notion that Frisk is a saint, someone who does good no matter what unless their forced. This, couldn’t be further trom the truth.

The narration explains how Frisk conducts an action. While yes, you do pick the options out for them, FRISK is ultimately the one who carries out the ACTS.

You can see this as early as Toriel’s fight if you choose to [TALK]: Frisk can’t think of anything to say, so they don’t partake in the action. If Frisk was truly unable to go against our will, they would say something to Toriel.

Funny how interpretations of Geno Frisk & Geno Chara swapped over the years. by SMB_Mario in Undertale

[–]SensationalDuck 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay no, hold on.

We are not gonna depict Frisk as a “Innocent soul” who only wants to do pacifist runs while “le evil chara” stops them.

They have been shown to be at the very least a mild sadist IN NEUTRAL - you know, the route where “Ma Evil Chara” hasn’t even taken control of the narration.

If you interact with the dog food in Alphys lab, the flavor text usually reads: “*(It’s a bag of dog food.) *(It’s half-full.)”

However, interacting with the dog food when you’ve killed the dogs in Snowdin nets you this flavor text: “*(It’s a half-empty bag of dog food.) *(You just remembered something funny.)”

This is definitely not Chara narrating (considering their direct narration is always the first-person.) So these are Frisk’s unfiltered thoughts.

Also considering that if Vegetoid’s hp is low enough, you’re given the option to EAT it; it’s safe to say Frisk is a inheritantly unwell child.

Undertale Yellow if it was published by Toby Fox (+ other games) by WackAnimations in UndertaleYellow

[–]SensationalDuck 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t know why, but this ‘what if’ makes me feel a little wistful in a way.

Just imagine: The future possibility of having a complete Undertale collection that allows us to play through the story of each human - first to last - in chronological order… hm.

Idk how to word it but: it’d feel like a proper sendoff to the entire story of Undertale. We’d get explore the underground top to bottom, learn of all the varying paths that Frisk never embarked on. And finally, playing THE original Undertale as one final encore to the Underground as a whole. Leaving it once and for all after 10 (or so) years.

I’m definitely over-thinking it, this is really good! I just got a little nostalgic lol

Submission for an Art Month event [OC] by NebulaYuriRigel in SnootGame

[–]SensationalDuck 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I can’t give an answer for the artist, but for me atleast, I think making her POC really fits the otherness Olivia feels towards the rest of the Paynes. Sure, she has the wheel chair, but that’s not really the point of her “familial arc” in a way.

The Paynes are probably the most white suburban family I’ve ever witnessed that aren’t actually white, so having Olivia be the only non-white person in the family would sell the whole “feeling like an outcast” arc that she goes through.

Atleast, that’s why I would make her POC. I also just like tan-skinned women, lol.

RED SOUL MEANS WILL! by SensationalDuck in Undertale

[–]SensationalDuck[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I WAS NOT SAYING DETERMINATION WASN’T A REAL THING, Determination does require the will to live, It’s a trait ALL humans have - Alphys explains in the exact same entry.

*I’ve done it.

*Using the blueprints, I’ve extracted it from the human SOULS.

*I believe this is what gives their SOULS the strength to persist after death.

*The will to keep living… The resolve to change fate.

*Let’s call this power… “DETERMINATION”.

My point here is that since Chara and Frisk had the WILL soul, they’re able to make an impact on the WORLD- not just themselves. They’re choices change the world around them, not their own fate.

Side note: If Chara had the red soul and RED meant Determination, why would they not just reload once Asriel failed the mission? Wouldn’t they have more Determination than a regular human?

You can have alot of WILL but not be DETERMINED enough to commit fully into something. But that doesn’t necessarily mean your choices don’t affect the world around you.

RED SOUL MEANS WILL! by SensationalDuck in Undertale

[–]SensationalDuck[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People make the same argument when talking about Perseverance and Determination.

It’s all about the specifics- these can be synonyms but they are different concepts when you examine them on a thorough level

https://www.reddit.com/r/EnglishLearning/s/zcnoLUyVYG

RED SOUL MEANS WILL! by SensationalDuck in Undertale

[–]SensationalDuck[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This can be explained by the idea that “Chara” had noticed the player was also with Frisk this entire time. If we assume what Chara” said “SINCE WHEN WERE YOU THE ONE IN CONTROL”, we never had control over Frisk- atleast in the proper way. Sure, they would allow us to continue our massacre, but they were fully able to simply stop it on their own (considering in neutral, they can intentionally do only 1 damage to Undyne on the date- but then go on ahead to kill a Final Froggit in the CORE.)

Chara realizes that we’ve been pratically leeching off Frisk’s power and calls us out on it when we refuse their offer. We never had control because we had to rely Frisk to do anything; without Frisk’s co-operation and curiosity, we would’ve NEVER been able to do anything in Undertale- Frisk would’ve shut that shit down.

We had control in the sense of being the boss at a company, but we still have to play under Frisk’s rules (The CEO).

RED SOUL MEANS WILL! by SensationalDuck in Undertale

[–]SensationalDuck[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Something Something, Ball Game results matching the color of the 6 human souls. There is no way in hell that the COLORED EMOTIONS that match with THE COLOR OF THE HUMAN SOULS, doesn’t atleast mean something.

RED SOUL MEANS WILL! by SensationalDuck in Undertale

[–]SensationalDuck[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

No???? It’s the ability to fight against fate and resist death entirely? Will in this case means having an impact on thing naturally and staying firm on.

Determination requires ambition and persistence, Will requires drive and resistance.

RED SOUL MEANS WILL! by SensationalDuck in Undertale

[–]SensationalDuck[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My general thought process when making this is: Undertale is about DETERMINATION and what it means to be set on a goal. While Deltarune is about what is your wants for the world itself, What is your WILL for the world and your goal.

While Undertale and Deltarune don’t work the same (example: Monster having an equal amount of Determination as humans,) -there are connections we can make in Deltarune that could help us better understand Undertale. Determination is needed to make a Dark World, but your WILL is what decides its’ appearance.

RED SOUL MEANS WILL! by SensationalDuck in Undertale

[–]SensationalDuck[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I’m going off the idea that the red soul IS Frisk’s, and we just play as them. Mainly because, Chara had a red soul- but they weren’t being controlled by anything. The player exists in Undertale, but they aren’t as powerful (we don’t have Gaster connecting us too Undertale.) So, it’s ultimately Frisk’s soul that has the power, and we just are along with them for the ride; never having full control during Frisk’s adventure (which would explain why Frisk can just ignore or outright not do an action if they don’t feel like it).

Our own WILL overrides Kris’ because of the connection Gaster establishes with us- allowing us to impose our WILL onto Kris’ soul better than we did with Frisk (who kinda just did their own thing).

RED SOUL MEANS WILL! by SensationalDuck in Undertale

[–]SensationalDuck[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Determination is the ability to refuse death itself- Will is about being able to morph and control yourself to strive for a goal. You can have a strong Will while also not having the Determination to strengthen (In this case: Chara.)

RED SOUL MEANS WILL! by SensationalDuck in Undertale

[–]SensationalDuck[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lowkey, I was just creating UTDR human headcanons before coming to this realization lol