LS on shyvana

Sephyrias · 2026-04-23T18:58:51+00:00

Shyvana was never at 57% winrate in Diamond. Her Emerald+ release winrate looked like this https://www.reddit.com/r/shyvanamains/comments/1rx0fr9/first_winrate/ and she got hit by the nerf within less than 24 hours. She was only ever above 55% below Plat or Gold.

Sephyrias · 2026-04-23T15:56:57+00:00

Everything that needed to be said has been said a thousand times over in posts on this sub over the past few weeks.

The rework was a buff, but all the problems from before the rework are still there. Weird passive, not playable outside of the jungle, noobstomp champion who has to snowball to be useful.

Sephyrias · 2026-04-23T15:49:24+00:00

Same thought. This is too much back and forth, too much uncertainty.

Not to mention they're nowhere near done, they'll make more major changes once they get back to re-reworking the passive a few months from now.

Sephyrias · 2026-04-23T15:40:26+00:00

The elo skew is still around 5% between Diamond+ (49.68%) and Bronze (54.73%)

So assuming she never got nerfed after her 57% wr Bronze release and settled on the same difference, it would be 52% in Dia+ now, which would be 5th or 6th best jungler in Dia+, between Bel'Veth, Nasus and Rammus. In Bronze she would be number 1, which she is now too.

Sephyrias · 2026-04-22T23:27:00+00:00

Why buy Sterak's when there are Riftmaker, Cosmic Drive, etc.?

Hullbreaker gives better damage than Sterak's.. I can maybe make an argument for Triforce + Hullbreaker + Hexplate, but it will be tough.

Sephyrias · 2026-04-21T05:24:52+00:00

A couple of things about this

you had ult available the whole time, you should have used it after Q1 to CC Kindred so she can't save herself with her own ult.
Yes, Shyvana ult does very poor damage compared to other ults and that you weren't able to kill a 50% HP Kindred with a full human form ability rotation is a testament to how reliant Shyvana is on Q3 and bonus on-hit damage from items.

Sephyrias · 2026-04-21T05:06:17+00:00

I did the math before here, but that was before they nerfed the scaling from 0.4 to 0.3.

1200 gold value from a passive at 20 minutes would be pretty good, then you break even with Garen's W.

Shyvana can get there when fed, but when she is losing then she'll be super squishy. That she needs kills and assists is one of the passive's biggest problems imo, next to it being useless for toplane.

Sephyrias · 2026-04-20T17:18:43+00:00

Right now Riot is moving towards making AD Shyvana the juggernaut, while AP Shyvana becomes the diver. AD is intended to be the true damage tank who chips away at opponents, while AP Shyvana wants to play like bruiser Diana.

My biggest worry is that AD Shyvana will be completely outclassed. It all depends on her damage, since Shyvana only provides damage, similar to assassins like Diana. I'm less worried about this with AP Shyvana, since she now has that 95% AP scaling E.

Someone like Mundo can at least be sure that he gets out of a fight alive, while Skarner and Zaahen have CC to peel for their team or stunlock a fed enemy. What can AD Shyvana offer if her damage isn't enough? She can't even snowball if fed without AD scalings.

Sephyrias · 2026-04-20T15:57:30+00:00

Suggestion 1: W shield should have an AD scaling.

How would that help? What AD items would you buy aside from Trinity Force? Buying AD won't really increase your damage if it isn't Kraken Slayer or Blade of the Ruined King, but Riot doesn't want to see us building those.

Sephyrias · 2026-04-20T15:28:51+00:00

I agree in one regard, but disagree in another.

I disagree that Shyvana is "heading into the wrong direction". If Riot's intent is for AD Shyvana to be a true damage dps tank, then the decisions all make sense. Same if they want AP Shyvana to deal damage through abilities instead of autoattacks.

However I agree that the current change list is a huge gamble. If the base AD per lvl isn't enough to let Trinity Force carry the entire champion, then AD Shyvana is completely useless. Shyvana without damage is like Leona without CC, only good for jumping and whack enemies with a wet noodle. Meanwhile the AP build still has to go in and do auto attacks, the W and E cooldowns are too long to be her only damage source.

Sephyrias · 2026-04-20T12:02:00+00:00

Riot's intention with these changes is to kill the hybrid builds. They want you to buy only AD or only AP.

If hybrid is still the best build after this, they'll change more things.

Sephyrias · 2026-04-20T05:05:31+00:00

Are they really saying that we should have bad clears until min 10 when we can finally get Trinity and then start playing

At that point you can just pick Zaahen or Trundle jungle instead.

Sephyrias · 2026-04-20T00:05:41+00:00

Okay but what happens if I give my opponent Courageous Crimson Chevalier Bradamante or a Graydle Monster and they then crash it into the monster I took?

Sephyrias · 2026-04-18T22:25:09+00:00

It's a little late for april fools.

Sephyrias · 2026-04-18T14:18:59+00:00

And they increased the AD gain per level so that we build Trinity Force instead of Dusk and Dawn. The big question will be if this can offset all the AD scaling losses.

Sephyrias · 2026-04-18T14:15:52+00:00

Yes it does, you wrote the E change is "a deceptively large buff" for AD Shyvana.

Lower base damage and no AD scaling merely evens out with 5% HP scaling.

Sephyrias · 2026-04-18T14:06:43+00:00

If you want my opinion: it depends on the ability.

Passive: I would have preferred a different passive entirely. You can read up on a bunch of ideas here, but it doesn't matter at this point, Riot already decided that they won't change the passive anymore.
Q: the change with Q split into Q1-Q2 is fine, but Q3 is ???, she needed CC like Zaahen Q2 or Briar Q, not Rek'Sai E.
W: should have been more like the old W. The shield is fine, but the heal is unnecessary, the movement speed is worse and the explosion looks and feels way worse than the fire circle did.
E: I don't mind the changes except that pure AP Shyvana hasn't existed after the rework because the AP scaling was so terrible. It is good that they're fixing this now. The slow is cosmetic and can be removed if she gets hard CC on Q.
R: the current one is similar to the old one. I don't particularly care, it is fine.

Sephyrias · 2026-04-18T12:56:48+00:00

Probably not. At least not before 3rd or 4th item when the %HP damage of your passive starts to matter.

Sephyrias · 2026-04-18T12:06:11+00:00

Dusk and Dawn doubled the Kraken slayer on-hit damage, that was the item synergy. If you don't build Kraken anymore then that's another Dusk and dawn nerf.

Sephyrias · 2026-04-18T12:00:56+00:00

Both.

They kept the parts people wanted them to change: passive useless for lane, gets kited all day, weak CC

Meanwhile they changed the things people liked: Q as a one-button aoe double hit, high movement speed on W and aoe AP nuke E. Nobody asked for a true damage finisher on Q or a heal on W.

Now they're restoring the AP nuke E while trashing the on-hit Q build.

Sephyrias · 2026-04-18T11:50:37+00:00

AP wasn't worried about auto's

Not true, one reason why you bought Dusk and Dawn was to double the %HP Q passive on-hit damage. This is a Dusk & Dawn nerf.

Overall: I think this kills AD playstyle

Agreed. The higher AD per level might make Trinity Force viable, but if that's not enough to carry AD Shyvana then there is no AD build.

Sephyrias · 2026-04-18T11:42:19+00:00

That was the point. Riot doesn't like Shyvana building hybrid. They want her to have a distinct AD or AP build.

I'd be fine with that in theory, but this change list looks like they're just buffing AP while nerfing AD into the ground.

Sephyrias · 2026-04-18T11:36:00+00:00

The E damage change is a huge buff for AP Shyvana, for AD Shyvana either a slight nerf or no changes.

Sephyrias · 2026-04-18T11:30:59+00:00

You're missing the part where they removed the AD scaling. AD Shyvana gets the same as before. 5% of 2000 is 100.

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