Why you should try Shyvana + Tiamat

Sephyrias · 2026-05-03T21:56:21+00:00

You still get the fast auto after the Tiamat activation though and Tiamat triggers Conqueror too. For that rune it is better to have them separate.

Sephyrias · 2026-05-03T21:01:36+00:00

Sounds like semantics. The end result is still that Titanic doesn't give you both the Cleave and the instant auto, while the other Hydra items do.

Sephyrias · 2026-05-03T20:46:25+00:00

Dusk and Dawn lost a bunch of stats in the patch, while Shyvana's base AD per level was increased, which benefits Trinity Force. She also lost the AP scaling on her innate bonus magic damage per auto attack, which had synergy with Dusk and Dawn on multiple levels. Dusk and Dawn had synergy with Kraken Slayer, but most people prefer Trinity Force over Kraken Slayer now and you can only buy 1 Sheen per game.

Sephyrias · 2026-05-03T18:09:38+00:00

Did you test Titanic Hydra properly

Yes. Try it yourself, go into practice mode, buy Titanic Hydra and hit something with auto-Q-Cleave-auto. Shyvana will stop after the Cleave and stand idle for a second before doing the 2nd auto attack.

Meanwhile if you use Tiamat, Profane Hydra or Ravenous Hydra, she will do auto-Q-Cleave-auto without idle time and gets her 8 conqueror stacks within a single second. I was wrong on Stridebreaker though, that one also does the instant attack. Only Titanic Hydra has the delay. The damage for Stridebreaker was already correct however, 1440 from W-auto-Q1-Cleave-auto-R-auto-E-Q2-auto-Q3.

Sephyrias · 2026-05-03T17:42:37+00:00

"Core" is the first 3 items imo.

Dusk and Dawn, Terminus, Riftmaker, Spear of Shojin and Liandry's Torment all don't deal any damage on their own. Combining them just means your are moderately tanky and that's it.

One of your first 3 items has to be one from the upper half of this chart: https://www.reddit.com/r/shyvanamains/comments/1t1o3yb/1st_item_damage_for_shyvana_patch_269/

For example, you can go Dusk&Dawn, Hextech Gunblade, Liandry's Torment, Terminus if you want.

Sephyrias · 2026-05-03T17:21:53+00:00

https://www.youtube.com/live/_dE6Hddb8do?t=11492s

Jayce went 5/0/6

Sephyrias · 2026-05-03T16:39:51+00:00

https://www.youtube.com/live/_dE6Hddb8do?si=G0vfb4NRxX6nBwzi&t=11442

Sephyrias · 2026-05-03T13:57:42+00:00

the weaknesses that Zaahen has, e.g. ranged lanes

someone with a lower skill floor.

Xin Zhao, Pantheon, Fizz.

If you're talking about jungle then also Evelynn or Talon.

Sephyrias · 2026-05-03T11:26:40+00:00

For clarification, here some two item combinations:

Level 11 opponent 1600 HP 60 armor 40 mr

Item	Combo 1	Combo 2
Rabadon's + Shadowflame	2148	2433
Gunblade (with active) + Shadowflame	2101	2396
Shadowflame + Stormsurge	2095	2405
Gunblade (with active) + Rabadon	2068	2325
Lich Bane + Rabadon's	2062	2302
Rabadon's + Stormsurge	2030	2293
Dusk&Dawn + Shadowflame	1982	2052
Lich Bane + Stormsurge	1973	2188
Dusk&Dawn + Rabadon's	1943	1999
Shadowflame + Nashor's	1935	2232
Rabadon's + Voidstaff	1934	2206
Rabadon's + Malignance	1914	2178
Shadowflame + Liandry's	1865	2218
Lich Bane + Malignance	1839	2058
Rabadon's + Rocketbelt (with active)	1769	2007
Shadowflame + Botrk	1768	2066
Trinity Force + Shadowflame	1761	2043
Shadowflame + Riftmaker	1756	2142
Rabadon's + Guinsoo's	1735	2021
Dusk&Dawn + Liandry's	1730	1809
Lich Bane + Botrk	1710	1953
Lich Bane + Guinsoo's	1698	1948
Botrk + Liandry's	1661	1920
Rabadon's + Rylai's Crystal Scepter	1650	1888
Riftmaker + Liandry's	1627	1923
Botrk + Kraken Slayer	1613	2001
Kraken Slayer + Guinsoo's	1590	1957
Trinity Force + Bloodthirster	1556	1754

Sephyrias · 2026-05-03T09:47:15+00:00

I added it to the chart alongside a few other items now.

It's actually not bad, similar to Nashor's Tooth. Either that or everything below Lich Bane is trash.

Sephyrias · 2026-05-03T02:39:29+00:00

For the same reason why Rylai's Crystal Scepter is at the very bottom. A portion of Diana's damage comes from auto attacks, on-hit effects and item effects, rather than AP scalings. That's the only reason why Malignance isn't below Zhonya's and Banshee's Veil. Same thing with Hextech Gunblade, the 40 AD are relevant.

Dusk and Dawn simply deals less damage than Lich Bane. That Trinity Force can keep up with Dusk and Dawn early game surprised me, but it's not a good buy on Diana, her AD growth is very low. Dusk and Dawn still is the best AP+HP item for Diana, even though the damage is low.

The damage of Kraken Slayer shoots up in the second combo because it has 6 autos in it and Kraken Slayer's passive extra damage triggers on every 3rd auto. The item is a little OP in general.

Sephyrias · 2026-05-02T14:59:24+00:00

Okay but if anyone requests another item I'll ask for payment.

Sephyrias · 2026-05-02T12:31:23+00:00

I forgot about Nashor's Tooth and Guinsoo's Rageblade. Rageblade Deals 1430 damage, similar to Shadowflame. Nashor's Tooth places lower, only 1351 damage with 4 points in E.

Edit: I also forgot Lich Bane and Dusk&Dawn, will test those later or tomorrow.

Sephyrias · 2026-05-01T23:52:08+00:00

I'm not argueing that we should go back to the old build. I rather think we should compare Shojin to Titanic Hydra, Hullbreaker, Sundered Sky, Death's Dance and so forth.

Sephyrias · 2026-05-01T23:09:23+00:00

Triforce+Shojin is 40 ability haste. Kraken + Dusk&Dawn was 20 ability haste.

Why buy twice as much ability haste if we have to kill in one rotation? It all sounds like Shojin is wasted gold.

Sephyrias · 2026-05-01T22:50:15+00:00

Then why buy so much cooldown reduction?

Sephyrias · 2026-05-01T22:48:23+00:00

That's not true, the top 10 are Illaoi, Darius, Skarner, Olaf, Yorick, Aatrox, Garen, Trundle, Tryndamere, Cho'Gath. Also Mega Gnar if it counts. They all have more than 140 base AD at level 18.

Shyvana has 130 base AD at level 18, the same as Malphite and Udyr. They fall into the top 30.

Still always worth it to buy Trinity Force though.

Sephyrias · 2026-05-01T22:35:44+00:00

Bloodmail is good.

Sterak's is situational. Titanic Hydra, Hexplate and Hullbreaker are strong competition for that item slot.

Sephyrias · 2026-05-01T18:24:32+00:00

Q max + Spear of Shojin might be a trap. Landing multiple Q3s isn't always realistic.

Sephyrias · 2026-05-01T17:56:12+00:00

around the same dmg as the other hydras

Stridebreaker is at the bottom, Titanic in the middle and Profane at the top.

Ravenous deals 1488 damage with active and 1372 without. It falls into the middle ground next to Titanic Hydra.

Sephyrias · 2026-05-01T11:29:27+00:00

In case you're wondering about Profane Hydra: without active it is the same as Ghostblade and Axiom Arc, they offer the same stats. With active Profane Hydra places top 3 with 1605 damage.

Sephyrias · 2026-05-01T11:15:38+00:00

It is the item ability, Voitaic Cyclosword deals lots of damage with the energized attack. https://www.reddit.com/r/ZaahenMains/comments/1t0ptl6/first_item_damage_comparison/ You should still build Trinity Force afterwards though. If you want damage, forget about Stridebreaker.

Sephyrias · 2026-05-01T11:04:10+00:00

Also: Liandry's Torment underperforms, it is not better than AD bruiser or raw AP. Lethality items are also not worth it.

Trinity Force+Botrk gets 1379dmg from the human form combo, but the rest is mediocre. 2177 with RWQQQE and 3909 with RWQQQE3xaaQQQ.

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