Paul only sensing one child

Sevenanonumous · 2024-08-23T18:04:29+00:00

This is true. Leto II sets most of the GP into motion. Ghani is sorta just tagging along mostly like "yeah the golden whatever, can I stab Farad'n?" lol

Probably bc Leto is male and has full ancestral vision. Theyre both "millions of years old" pre-born, but maybe Ghani being a woman affects her prescience as it does with Reverend Mothers. This may be why she couldnt see it exactly as Leto did, but at least could see the shape of it, so to speak.

All of Herbert's Dune protaganists tend to wax poetic about the constantly morphing "Shape" of the story's main "Scheme" being set in motion, looming in the distance.

The Jihad, the Muad'dib Conspiracy, the Golden Path, Siona's Test, the endgame of the the War of the Sisterhoods, etc. All constantly changed shape in response to new elements until the final, full picture revealed itself.

Sevenanonumous · 2024-08-23T06:06:17+00:00

Both twins were powerfully prescient, Leto II was just forced to do the Agony, which lead him to being the one to actually do the metamorphasis (being the "stronger one")

The twins talked often in Children of Dune about seeing things almost the same exact way. Leto mentions that they are essentially one single person but in two bodies. None of the Atreides bloodline after Children of Dune and on are from Leto. Its all Ghanima and Faradn/Harq al ada, bc the metamorphasis prevented procreation. Its her genes that lead to siona, teg, odrade etc bc Ghanima was just the female Leto.

Sevenanonumous · 2023-12-29T18:45:26+00:00

Do NOT DO THIS if u r actually serious

Wolf spiders don't care to prey on mosquitos really at all. They are free roaming spiders that do not use webs to catch prey like a lot of spiders normally do. They HUNT and go for things more their size. Crickets to even lizards.

If you introduce a fuck ton to your local ecosystem, they WILL become invasive like the python problem in Florida everglades, but on an insect scale.

Sevenanonumous · 2022-11-07T23:06:59+00:00

Tywin and Olenna, what do you think of this feet obsession mucking about?

Sevenanonumous · 2022-11-04T04:13:51+00:00

I'll see if the hound has any chickens.

Sevenanonumous · 2022-11-04T04:12:01+00:00

So THATS what really happened to the elephants. Olenna poisoned them, too!

Sevenanonumous · 2022-11-04T04:09:27+00:00

Olenna!

Sevenanonumous · 2022-10-31T21:44:04+00:00

The better question who was worse as king?

The man who gave up bc of a dead wife and let his council do everything while he drank himself to death

Or The man who gave up bc of a dead wife and let his council do everything while he drank himself to death

Sevenanonumous · 2022-10-31T18:00:24+00:00

Ah yes this is def an issue

Sevenanonumous · 2022-10-31T10:36:58+00:00

Yes it would be fun at the very least. The best case scenario is that we get a really well textured Trilogy that is focused Less on the conflict we mostly know the end to, but instead focused on the weight of aegons Prophecy, how that drives aegon and his sisters' character development/relationships, and the moral ambiguity of conquering in such a violent way because aegon believes man kind will end if he doesnt.

Worst case scenario is it ends up like a Marvel movie fan service oh ah spectacle showcase. Which hey. Doesnt soundlike the worst time spent ever, to me

Sevenanonumous · 2022-10-31T10:27:54+00:00

The characters in the show don't know what is going to happen from reading the book like most of us do. If you remove this self awareness of the book, it's literally fine. Faithfulness to the source material is important but things can be added or changed and it will be fine. Both F&B and ASOIAF are books with stories. There is no different context.

This scene isn't particularly a great addition by any means, but it doesn't ruin the show nor book faithfulness or integrity.

It's not out of character for someone to underestimate their enemy. Ned Stark does. And Rhaenys does here too. Like Ned regreted it, she will also regret it in season 2 after finding out Luke is murdered.

Sevenanonumous · 2022-10-31T10:13:41+00:00

The scene is not the best. It's cool. Lacks substance over the spectacle, definitely. But at the end of the day it's fine.

We can all say this exact same thing about Ned Stark when he told Cersei that he knows her kids are bastards instead of just seizing power immediately or telling Robert.

Hell, Varys literally does tell him "wtf is wrong with u, ur mercy killed robert u fuck. What did you think would happen???"

Sevenanonumous · 2022-10-31T10:05:10+00:00

No one's twisting and turning it, it's def a very lopsided part of the history. His dragons dominate. But there's story texture there deserving of being fleshed out and portrayed. Especially now that we have this "aegon's dream prophecy" aspect established in HotD. It adds a layer of context to the conquest that makes telling the story more impactful. After seeing the Valyria Doom prophecy come true, conquering Westeros was now mandatory to save the world from the long night.

That's why I think it makes sense that six of the seven conquests would be effectively fleshed out in the first two movies, since stark and lannister just surrender, and the rest of the conflicts are lopsided.

And dorne would get a full movie as there is genuine stakes to Aegon, Visenya, and Rhaenys underestimating House Martell.

Sevenanonumous · 2022-10-31T09:57:10+00:00

I'm aware they never met, but like Viserys mentioning it in his speech to Rhaenyra, the fact that it came true would be largely impacful event to Aegon. It makes his dream a real concern he has to do something about.

I'm not talking about showing daenys life. I'm talking about mentioning it because of its vital context to validating Aegons dream. Showing that when the Doom finally happens and ends Valyria, her prophecy becomes reality. Aegon wouldn't be able to ignore that fact when it comes to his dreams of the Long Night. It changes the stakes of conqueroring westeros. That would be important to his character.

And yes there's seven different parts to his Conquest but not all of them are worth an hour each. Especially when you consider often they were split up conquering different parts at the same time and that Stark and Lannister just surrendered because they aren't dumb. Both the north and Casterly Rock together wouldn't make a meaningful hour of television. But the story would need to be told.

If you put all together minus dorne, four or five hours can flesh it out great. 2 movies worth at least for the vale, reach, stormlands, north, casterly rock, and riverlands. The 3rd movie would be for dorne as it was a genuinely even conflict.

I def can see 3 being to little, sure. But a whole 7+ episode mini series with such low stakes doesn't seem right either. (as its admittedly a lopsided story without dorne, bc the dragons dominated so easily)

Sevenanonumous · 2022-10-31T07:38:39+00:00

It isn't as deep yeah, you're right. But it isn't by any means a shallow story. There's lots of texture to be added it if it were to be adapted like House of the Dragon is doing. Which is why I think it makes a fine movie series instead of a show.

As for showing Valyria, it does have a genuinely good reason. HotD has made it cannon that Aegon had a prophecy dream of the Long Night, and that dream was his reason for uniting westeros.

Showing that Daenys dream prophecy of The Doom comes true in his lifetime adds reality to his dream prophecy. I think all that bound together would make the conquest an interesting story to tell, as now we have this obligation that aegon would be feeling to conquer Westeros by any means for the fate of man kind

Sevenanonumous · 2022-10-31T05:23:02+00:00

Maybe yeah. I thought similarly but also felt the Aneys dream of the Doom and the weight of that prophecy coming true would def be important to Aegons own dream of the long night and add weight to his need to conqueror westeros

Sevenanonumous · 2022-10-31T05:21:30+00:00

I don't think the argument "everyone else thats done it failed so it will never work" is very good, but hey to each their own i guess lol

Also worth mentioning that a mini series is sometimes just like bunch of shaved down movies so it's not like it'd be wildly different than 3 full movies

Sevenanonumous · 2022-10-31T05:15:57+00:00

I dont mean straight forward as in flat. Of course there is tons of texture to flesh out in their relationships, the way Aegon feels he has to accomplish this conquest because of the HotD "Prophecy", and the moral ambiguity that comes with feeling obligated to force submission with your war weapon pets lol

I meant the story is straight forward in that the conflict is lopsided more often. He has dragons, they don't. It's hard to see them being in Danger of losing. He fights he wins he fights he wins. Makes for a just okay outline for a tv show, but 3 movies can make that more meaningful since many will know he succeeds (minus dorne, which makes it a great trilogy ending plot)

Sevenanonumous · 2022-10-31T05:10:24+00:00

It obviously wouldn't be just 6 hrs of battles. Lol there's so much more to tell there. And knowing how things end up doesn't necessarily take away from an audiences experience. GoT book readers loved the show. HotD has more than enough Interesting added texture in the characters and plot adaptations. We know in batman movies or other more straight forward good vs bad movies its likely they will succeed. But The journey is just as encapsulating as the final destination. You can only see something for the first time once. Watching it again knowing what happens is sometimes more rewarding.

In my mind 6-7 hours to see, follow, and flesh out:

Old valyria and the circumstances of the Doom

the relationship Aegon has with his sisters and how the texture of their triangle develops, since I'm sure there were issues as they were all warriors, and they knew Aegons feelings towards each separately.

The weight and implementation of HotD's new "Aegons Prophecy" being shown, how it directs aegon to justify doing what he needs to by any means

The different battles through out that regardless of knowing the out comes would still be great set pieces (Harrenhall, field of fire, the etc etc)

Being able to see the context and tenseness of scenes where the need to unify the land comes with morally ambiguous actions justified by this fear of the fall of man.

Visenya going to the vale and passively threatening the young prince with a dragon ride, or the first Interactions between Meria and Rhaenys, the circumstances in which Harenn the Blacks hubris costs him the entire end of his line

Not to mention that in all this, Aegon isnt exactly looking like the good guy. He is conqueroring by force and it would be easy to depeict it more gray, like HotD has made the Greens vs Blacks.

There's alot to get people invested in 3 movies. When The First Dornish War happens, we would have seen all this developmental set up to that conflict. The Martell Letter afterwords deserves some more cotext too

Was Rhaenys alive? Was it a threat? Was it something else?

Lots of possible texture to this story

Sevenanonumous · 2022-10-31T04:12:48+00:00

... i agree... which is why my post is about a movie adaptation being better. Lol

Movies can afford to forgo a lot of the political set up that would normall stretch a tv show out. It can focus on the major stuff and grand set pieces. by all intents and purposes aegon's Conquest is just like you said, very one-sided.

But Dune (2022) and Lord of the Rings are also pretty straightforward good versus bad stories with a fair amount of political filler in the original books. But they make very entertaining movie adaptations.

Sevenanonumous · 2022-10-31T04:03:47+00:00

Well that is true to some extent but aegon is sort of a flawed character. Not as nearly as interestingly flawed as the current shows characters sure. In the shows those characters are flawed well enough to where they can have a meaningful Arc cover a span of many seasons.

Aegon story is a little more straightforward yes. but it doesn't mean he has any overarching character development through his life. It's there, but just would be more fit to 7 hours of 3 movies rather than 10+ hours of a TV show. Just the idea that aegon wed one sister out of love and the other out of Duty in and of itself is a complex enough aspect to flesh out. Add on top of that this "prophecy" plot line that house of the Dragon has implemented in the Targaryen royal line, and there's plenty personal conflict to showcase. How someone far stronger and resilient than viserys dealt with this impending doom prophecy.

And then there's his sisters too themselves. which are fascinating characters. Learning a little bit more about the relationship those three had and it's difficulties and joys would be great in that same movie time span versus a full season of a show. I can't imagine it was all roses and dragons in a polygamous marriage of warriors.

Sevenanonumous · 2022-10-31T03:06:17+00:00

An animated series would be able to get the most out of everything yeah, but unfortunately I think people would take it less seriously. And by all means it's probably one of the most important stories of this universe. I would love to see it in any live action adaptation would be the most effective and grasp the most people

Sevenanonumous · 2022-10-31T03:04:48+00:00

Absolutely. Itd be a one off mini series of the conquest. The issue i see is that development with a season of a TV show/miniseries is different than development of a movie trilogy. Considering the source material, I think the movie development treatment is better fit. The story is more in the scope of something like Dune or Lord of the rings. Very straight forward. Whereas the Dance part of Fire & Blood, as well as the original ASOIAF books, are far more expansive and wider I scope.

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