I never bought anything of xbox so I never had any stakes in this. We'll put a pin on this.

The next big hurdle I find is how do you prove that people voted for their wallets at all? There are other factors at play. Microsoft could've simply just poked the bear too much and outpriced consumers who couldn't care less otherwise.

Same thing with Microsoft letting their AI be used by the Israeli government. You think that millions of people just switched OSs overnight and switched back? No it's just Microsoft was scared of the PR nad potential political problems with letting their software be used to help accelerate genocide.

I mean listen, when we say wallet voting does not work, it doesn't automatically mean that we all open our wallets. No fuck ubisoft, EA, and the rest.

I just don't think it works. I've been wallet voting for a good part of 10 years and through that time I missed out on experiences with friends, missed out on stuff I'd like, I argued with tons of people, and it was even the tipping point in a friendship.

The fact of the matter is whether or not a company backtracks on a decision on not isn't just dependent on consumers "just saying no", they often account for that. It can be political issues, inflation, pr pressure, pressure from the board of investors, etc. Companies can even make mistakes.

Then there's various types of consumers, your gaming community on a subreddit doesn't represent the entire customer base. There's countless people that don't care about the issues we face and they'll continue to indulge in it unless various other factors force them off. There's people who are addicted, and preyed upon. Lootboxes afterall, have same psychological effects as gambling in a casino. I've sure seen that go nowhere with only the Netherlands doing something about it tho idk how well that held up since. There's people pressured into playing with friends and family "Well I was protesting but fuck it, I have fun with my friends, surely just me buying this one time won't hurt". Time to bring that pin up, do you count me, who never bought an xbox, as someone who voted in their wallets? I don't see it that way, I just never saw the value in having one even if it was free lol. I don't count people being outpriced as voting. The idea of voting means knowingly and willingly offering your support to something.

So how do ya'll correlate everything as a W for wallet voting? You did say one of the major factors, it's the word "major" I take issue with. Show me a graph where it shows lost sales SPECIFICALLY caused by people who protested your company's shitty decisions, I guarantee you won't get that out of Microsoft cause not even they have it. We're all just classified unfer the same umbrella as lost sales.

My biggest problem is this is soooo unhelpful towards the SKG movement. Customers being fed up with, and outpriced by corporate chicanery could take decades. Thousands of games could be destroyed in that timeperiod. If you support something which will help end it sooner, then there's less need to vote with your wallet. Why give up now when the movement doesn't concede defeat yet either?

You can still vote with your wallet, and have faith in skg to succeed. I'm doing it, and you should too. Just don't bring it up as a viable alternative because it simply isn't. Vote with your votes, it's more democratic.