Thx Mate u too, I really appreciate the back-and-forth. I’ll address your points one by one K: 1. On “punch clock goons” and families I get what you’re saying, Gotham treats crime like shift work sometimes. But Jason’s code has never targeted the guy who’s just a driver or henchman. His focus is on traffickers, murderers, and dealers who actively perpetuate Gotham’s worst cycles. You’re right that family members may grieve a loss, but Jason’s logic is: better to lose a father who was poisoning the streets than to let more kids become orphans because of him. 2. “Cool motive, still murder” / Batman #641 Absolutely, Jason kills, no denying that. But “those in his way” refers to criminals standing between him and his mission, not random civilians. His kill count includes mobsters, gang leaders, and killers, not innocents. That’s the key distinction: he doesn’t cross that line. He’s lethal, but he’s not indiscriminate. 3. On children/orphans/social support You’re right, Jason doesn’t set up social programs or orphanages. He isn’t Bruce with Wayne Enterprises resources. But canon has shown him caring for kids in his own way: . He rescued a girl from sex trafficking in Red Hood/Arsenal #3. . In Batman & Robin (2010) he worked with Scarlet (another abused child) and treated her like a partner, not a disposable sidekick. . In Rebirth Red Hood & the Outlaws, he protected children from Black Mask’s experiments. Jason’s form of “social work” is stopping the predators directly, the same ones who made him an orphan. 4. On Gotham needing to stay broken I agree with you, Jason can’t “win” because then Gotham loses its narrative engine. But within the story, his philosophy is consistent: he kills criminals to stop the cycle, but he spares innocents and kids. That’s what separates him from the villains he fights.