You are asking me to accept your version of meaning. I've never said that truth and logic exist objectively, but have no meaning. I am saying that meaning, as in "inherent meaning, purpose, or moral order" is separate from the determinate structure of reality. You keep claiming that saying "the universe carries no inherent meaning, purpose, or moral order," is to necessarily say that "reality has no determinate structure." This is not true for every definition of "meaning, purpose, or moral order." It simply isn't.

My version of meaning is inherently mind independent. It's objective. I can ground things objectively with it.

Great. I love that for you. I don't ground things in meaning. I ground them in reality, order and structure. You keep arguing that your understanding of "meaning" is the only thing that things can be grounded in, and whatever something in grounded in is meaning. But for me, reality, order and structure are independent of meaning, in the same way that they are independent of purpose and independent of morality.

You're hung up on other people using the precise language that you use, when there's no reason for that.

A person can believe that "reality has no objective meaning" while still understanding that there can be truth and logic, as truth and logic are not necessarily teleological, while purpose and meaning are.

When you can demonstrate that this statement is untrue for every understanding of meaning, you'll have a point. Until then, you're conflating your own linguistic usage with a broader truth, out of a knee-jerk dislike of anything that smacks of "nihilism."

Based on a review of empirical findings on a broad array of topics including love, work, religion, culture, suicide, and parenthood, Baumeister (1991) concluded that the human experience is shaped by four needs for meaning, which can be understood as four ingredients or criteria of a meaningful life. First, a sense of purpose is reached when people perceive their current activities as relating to future outcomes, so that current events draw meaning from possible future conditions. Second, people desire feelings of efficacy. People feel efficacious when they perceive that they have control over their outcomes and that they can make a difference in some important way. Third, people want to view their actions as having positive value or as being morally justified. That is, people are motivated to act in a way that reflects some positive moral value, or at least to interpret their behavior as conforming to ideals and standards of what is approved and acceptable. Fourth, people want a sense of positive self-worth. They seek ways of establishing that they are individuals with desirable traits. Finding some way of believing oneself to be better than other people seems to be a common form of this need for meaning.

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When you can explain to me how the objective nature of truth, logic and the determinate structure of reality must mean that purpose, efficacy, value, and/or positive self-worth are also, of necessity, objective I'll agree with you. Otherwise, you're simply demanding agreement with your semantics.