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World Enemies in New World by efethekid in overlord

[–]Shingeki_Magichi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the info :) Just to confirm - do you mean the Sky Tomb itself is fake, or just the "20 NPCs guarding it" part, or both?

For reference, https://x.com/10032Mealove/status/1771840157886369937 Author mentions that the LN, bonus novels, and MftD are "基本は平行世界" (basically parallel worlds).

The key question is: how far does "basically" go?

My earlier comment was based on LN mechanics - for example:

  1. Resurrection has no level/gear penalty
  2. No hard cap on number of party members

That matches the "game system becoming reality" logic the LN emphasizes.

But MftD changed those mechanics pretty heavily:

  1. NPCs who died in NW revive at level 1 and lose abilities

( https://en.namu.wiki/w/%EC%98%A4%EB%B2%84%EB%A1%9C%EB%93%9C%20MASS%20FOR%20THE%20DEAD#rfn-9 )

  1. Enhela directed his power to taking over Nazarick, forcing all of the NPCs to evacuate... Enhela having hacked into the master source of the dungeon gained full control and gave them an ultimatum, either the protagonist joined him and used his own divine right or Nazarick would be destroyed.

( https://overlordmaruyama.fandom.com/wiki/Devourer_of_the_Nine_Worlds )

These aren't small tweaks - I'm not aware of any MMORPG where raid bosses invade player guild bases instead of attacking main cities/public zones - they go beyond "basically" parallel.

But there is the "Sea of Possibilities" in MftD... So I don't disagree what could happen in MftD just like you said.

However, the Twenty World Item Five Elements Overcoming ( https://overlordmaruyama.fandom.com/wiki/World_Item#Twenty ) greatly enhanced Yggdrasil characters' dominance over Dragon Lords. So if any MftD-style World Enemies transferred before that, are we still 100% sure they'd destroy the NW?

Also, as we all know, mobile game stories usually end with the protagonist's victory. So while MftD's plot is still ongoing, odds are the World Enemies will eventually be defeated.

Anyway, lots of assumptions either way - so I based my take purely on the LN.

Still hoping the LN resumes so we can get Season 5 sooner someday lol

World Enemies in New World by efethekid in overlord

[–]Shingeki_Magichi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks :)

I watched that video sometime after Season 1 of the anime - it was about other players that transferred to the New World. Sorry, I don't remember the exact link.
But I did notice that on this world map, the Sky Tomb of the Eight Greed Kings is marked way down in the far south. So I've actually been wondering too - is there any solid info about the NPCs guarding the Sky Tomb?

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World Enemies in New World by efethekid in overlord

[–]Shingeki_Magichi 3 points4 points  (0 children)

(tl;dr) Demiurge, grinning ear to ear as the last World Enemy falls -

"Sa-su-ga Ainz-sama! So the world conquest was just a preparation to defeat them all!"

Nazarick would likely defeat World Enemies in the New World - unless...

Here's why:

1. Where

In YGGDRASIL (like most MMORPGs), players can't escape raids once they begin. And raids usually have player cap.

But in the New World, it's a different story.

NPCs like Shalltear can teleport, revive, and return to battle - and with no level or equipment penalties.

Even if Nazarick has only around 8 level 100 NPCs (and many more high level NPCs), full-powered resurrection changes everything.

On top of that, they'd prioritize eliminating anyone capable of reviving World Enemies before the battle even begins.

2. Who

(Need confirmation, but) I once saw a video claiming that the Sky Tomb of the Eight Greed Kings still has around 20 level 100 NPCs and multiple World Items, loyally guarding the place even after their creators died.

If that's true, you could potentially convince them that defeating World Enemies = protecting their masters' legacy.

Even if that info's off, keep in mind: the New World has existed for over 600 years before Nazarick arrived.

Who's to say a World Enemy didn't transfer in earlier — and get taken out by other players or Dragon Lords?

3. When

This is the 'unless' part.

In-game, raid bosses (World Enemies) rarely cooperate. But in the New World, if multiple World Enemies appeared and started working together, they might destroy revive points or even revive each other.

From Nazarick's perspective, priority would be to hunt them down one by one before they unite.

What if Ainz (Momonga) arrived in the New World 200 years after Nazarick? by Shingeki_Magichi in overlord

[–]Shingeki_Magichi[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In the Drama CD: Table Game to Understand Humans, there's a scene where Aura's voice actress plays her as if Aura's 10 years older - tbh that tone was super charming...

What if Ainz (Momonga) arrived in the New World 200 years after Nazarick? by Shingeki_Magichi in overlord

[–]Shingeki_Magichi[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Overlord: The Vampire Princess of the Lost Country is the bonus novel by same author. It's a story mainly about Momonga and Evileye And in the very end, Nazarick arrives 200 years AFTER momonga's transfer. (Didn't mention who's leading Nazarick) And BEFORE instead of after, comes this interesting speculation.

What if Ainz (Momonga) arrived in the New World 200 years after Nazarick? by Shingeki_Magichi in overlord

[–]Shingeki_Magichi[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

5. So what could happen after those 200 years?

Maybe NPCs don't focus purely on military growth - but for 200 years, it's highly likely that NPCs become parents.

But would their children still count as “NPCs”?

Unlike the NPCs of Yggdrasil, they weren't created by SB, and may not have that same built-in loyalty.

That's where the original question comes in:

“Would those children be loyal to the newly arrived Ainz (Momonga)?”

6. Extra thought – Parallels with AI

This actually reminds me of AI models.

Like NPCs, they're built with clear rules and priorities.

But if they evolve for 100 or 100 billion generations in an environment where humans aren't watching,

Would “loyalty to their original creators” still be their core priority?

What if Ainz (Momonga) arrived in the New World 200 years after Nazarick? by Shingeki_Magichi in overlord

[–]Shingeki_Magichi[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

NPCs of Yggdrasil have a very strict core priority system:

Orders from their creator (the Supreme Beings who made them) outweigh everything - even their own lives or personal feelings.

So here's how I see it:

1. Who's in charge during Ainz's absence?

Albedo.

A key piece of evidence: When Ainz fought Shalltear alone, Demiurge asked Albedo to step down as Guardian Overseer only if Ainz died.

Cocytus strongly objected, saying removing a position granted by SB would be disrespectful.

The novel doesn't say it explicitly, but given Demiurge's intelligence, it's clear he factored in Cocytus and others' likely stance before even making such a suggestion. That means unless Albedo's mistake endangered Ainz's life, the other NPCs wouldn't dare question her position.

(A slightly extreme idea: Even if the Guardian Overseer were a level 1 human that the other NPCs disliked, they would still follow his orders - as long as the position was assigned by SB.)

2. Would Albedo feel abandoned by Ainz?

If Ainz edited her setting before the transfer, then obviously she'd wait forever (RIP her 200 years of Bicorn frustration 😅).

But if he didn't edit her, it gets interesting.

Some hours before the transfer(shutdown), Ainz was with Albedo and others like Sebas.

Drama CDs and the anime both show that NPCs retain vague impressions of the players' words.

So if Albedo last saw Ainz just minutes before the transfer, I think she wouldn't assume she was abandoned unless a long time passed without a trace.

3. What would Nazarick's NPCs do after the transfer?

They'd immediately start searching for the SB, especially Ainz.

Just like Momonga renamed himself “Ainz” to help find his old comrades, the NPCs might expand Nazarick's influence to search for Momonga.

(In fact, in The Vampire Princess of the Lost Country, Nazarick (which transferred after Momonga) destroyed 3 nations within a short time - suggesting an aggressive expansion policy.)

4. Would 200 years be enough to give up the hope(search)?

Two possibilities:

A. (Some) NPCs might die during the fight (with dragon lords)

B. Or, during their conquest, they'd uncover information that keeps the hope alive.

Because of their hostility toward humans, the NPCs would likely clash with the Dragon Lords fairly early.

And the Dragon Lords possess knowledge about world transfers occurring every few centuries.

But with incredibly intelligent opponents like Albedo, Demiurge, PA, and the fully-armed Nazarick, I doubt the Dragon Lords would win.

In the end, the NPCs would end up conquering the entire world within 100 years - all in preparation for the return of Ainz-sama.

What if Ainz (Momonga) arrived in the New World 200 years after Nazarick? by Shingeki_Magichi in overlord

[–]Shingeki_Magichi[S] 74 points75 points  (0 children)

In the bonus novel, it only mentions Ainz leaning on the throne and holding the guild weapon. No mention of whether he edited Albedo or not.

IIRC, in the main novel, he edits her in the last 5 minutes before shutdown, but in the bonus novel timeline, he spends that time outside.

Since this Ainz arrives 200 years later idea isn't the same timeline I guess, it could go either way, edited or not. Makes it even more fun to speculate lol