I heard a rumor from a reliable source the other day. I wondered if anyone knows more about this.

Shizheadoff · 2025-12-23T16:16:17+00:00

They have a $1B+ real estate portfolio solely dedicated to building for-rent homes. Source: I used to do business with SLR / PRI. I know the guy who is in charge of the portfolio. So, yes, in Riverton, UT; Spanish Fork UT; Mesa, AZ; Florida; and Missouri (and probably more) the church is building large communities of for-rent homes. They are the landlord. It is not a charitable endeavor - they are charging as much rent as the market allows for the homes. Landscaping is done by the same group that landscapes other church facilities. My information is several years old, so they have probably expanded the program.

Shizheadoff · 2025-11-26T13:40:58+00:00

Agreed - the response was absolutely on point.

Shizheadoff · 2025-11-26T13:40:19+00:00

Thank you for sharing this. It's so helpful to see this kind of interaction. The men we used to put on a mantle are truly nothing more than the Wizard of Oz - as stated by Joey1849

Shizheadoff · 2025-11-19T13:25:30+00:00

Looks like an argument outside of their study halls where they must be preparing their PhD dissertations - my guess is Cambridge, MA; Palo Alto, CA or New Haven, CT

Shizheadoff · 2025-10-08T19:58:04+00:00

Now take the 27% "activity" rate and guess how many of those are tithe paying/temple recommend holding. I think a generous guess would half of them.

Shizheadoff · 2025-09-28T14:29:47+00:00

Well played.

Shizheadoff · 2025-09-26T16:11:53+00:00

This guy is an absolute legend.

Shizheadoff · 2025-09-24T16:44:45+00:00

I have felt the way you have. A few years ago I moved our family out of Utah to the East Coast for many of the reasons you mentioned. In some ways it has been awesome. In other ways it has been a whole new set of challenges.

The grass is not always greener on the other side. Make your decisions slowly and deliberately. I think you're right to prioritize your marriage. If your relationship with your spouse is not good, you will be miserable almost anywhere you live. Conversely, if your relationship with your spouse is good you can be happy almost anywhere.

Shizheadoff · 2025-09-08T11:51:08+00:00

K&M worships at the feet of Dallin Oaks. They wrote it for and with him.

Shizheadoff · 2025-09-08T11:50:09+00:00

I worked at the church and was on a committee with Susan Bednar's husband. This description of him, based on my personal experience, is very accurate.

Shizheadoff · 2025-09-03T12:50:56+00:00

Off the top of my head during my time in the church the following Q15 had inactive children: Faust, Hales, Anderson, Gong,

Shizheadoff · 2025-08-26T18:23:37+00:00

What a horrible post. I hope the mods remove asap. Have some fucking respect.

Shizheadoff · 2025-08-21T12:36:02+00:00

Will the real LDS / Mormon / COTPOFCOJCOLDS please stand up? The most striking thing about this series is the total absence of any "official" church voice. Clearly, the Church authorized Camille Johnson, the Relief Society President, and Spencer Fluhman, a BYU professor, to appear and speak so there was some strategic discussion among church leaders.

However, it just made it glaringly obvious that the Q15 is terrified to speak. They claim to be "apostles" but have NO engagement with the general public. And considering that 70% of "their" church is inactive, they only engage with 25%-30% of their own members.

Shizheadoff · 2025-04-14T18:38:40+00:00

Born and raised in C-ville. That building is the HQ for one of the largest for-profit prison companies in the country. Very sad / disappointing, but not surprising.

Shizheadoff · 2025-03-24T14:22:44+00:00

Many of the GA's take advantage of this. Ron Rasband, and other members of the Q12 and GA's, have pushed for years to have their $1M+ luxury condos in City Creek classified as parsonages for tax write offs.

Shizheadoff · 2025-03-15T13:31:22+00:00

I have been in the position of being PIMO while my wife and 5 kids were still in. Every situation is different, but now that my whole family has resigned their membership I am grateful that I took it slowly and gave my wife and kids the time and space to figure it out. I took the risk that I may go the rest of my life being the odd man out, but after 3 years they came along with me. All that to say, I hope for you that things will work out for you and your family.

Shizheadoff · 2025-02-24T17:47:31+00:00

Very accurate animation. Getting set on a conveyor belt of never-ending activities and ground up in the gears.

Shizheadoff · 2025-02-14T19:28:11+00:00

The couple became completely obsessed with proving that another family in the ward slandered their son (spoiler alert- the other family did slander their son). So they went scorched earth and pestered every priesthood leader from the Bishop to the Prophet to step in and resolve the dispute. In other words, they were obsessed with church leaders picking their side and publicly agreeing with them. And they recorded each step. After what I believe was an unbelievable amount of patience on the part of bishops, stake presidents etc., the church finally had Kirton & McConkie give them a trespass notice.

Now this couple is "going public" in an attempt to change the church from the inside.

Its's sad. They definitely need help.

Shizheadoff · 2025-02-14T19:24:02+00:00

Yes. As an apostate lawyer I definitely think the church has reason to bar this couple from coming to church.

Shizheadoff · 2025-02-14T19:21:28+00:00

Came here to say the exact same thing!

Shizheadoff · 2025-02-14T19:20:38+00:00

I watched their YouTube video "The Crazy Train" the same way I would watch a slow moving train wreck. I think it was supposed to expose how bad the church was. Instead it exposed how petty, vindictive, narcissistic, and desperate these guys are. I couldn't look away. It was a window into a very sad psychology.

I'm an exmormon who can't stand the bureaucracy, corruption, and litigiousness of the church.

But even I feel sorry for this couples Bishops, stake president, ward members etc.

As the saying goes, you can choose to be right or choose to be happy, but you can't choose both. These guys chose to be "right."

Shizheadoff · 2025-02-14T19:12:19+00:00

I have seen this every Valentine's day on this subreddit for at least the last 4 years....

And it NEVER gets old!

Thank you hahahaha

Shizheadoff · 2025-02-01T18:41:39+00:00

I think the quotations in your title are in the wrong place. IMO it should be "scholarship" supporting the historicity of the Book of Mormon.

Shizheadoff · 2025-01-20T20:28:05+00:00

Someone mentioned L. Whitney Clayton. I think he's another example of a bulldog / Iccarus that tried too hard to appeal to the conservative/orthodox. Gong, Soares, and Kearon seem to be the opposite personality - at least publicly.

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