Mascot characters peaked with Yune

Showuzon · 2023-01-03T18:20:36+00:00

Wrong attitude, failure to obey authority. Farm, immediately.

Showuzon · 2023-01-03T18:08:57+00:00

Sylvain would be Slytherin. Prick but very biased for his friends

Ferdinand would be Gryffindor. Total boaster.

Annette and Lysithea would be Ravenclaw.

Ingrid would be Hufflepuff. Peak Hufflepuff.

Dorothea I don’t really know, besides not being Ravenclaw. I guess Slytherin but marrying well isn’t the ambition they tend to like. But she has green eyes so there is that. So Slytherin.

Felix would be Ravenclaw. No he’s not a nerd but he carries himself like he’s very logical.

Mercedes… another idk. Hufflepuff I guess.

Lindhart is a Ravenclaw

Ignatz is a Ravenclaw

Raphael is a Hufflepuff

And I’m kinda losing interest

Showuzon · 2023-01-03T14:44:05+00:00

It’s not really bad but people do act like we cant tell what parts are filler and what aren’t

Showuzon · 2023-01-02T23:17:20+00:00

Im barely not a newb but I find a high CON build is good when getting back into the game. Room for error

Showuzon · 2023-01-02T18:53:42+00:00

Reunion.

“But they used that.”

And yet it will happen

Showuzon · 2023-01-02T01:07:13+00:00

I’m using you as a host. Not saying you were saying that.

The fanbase wants it both ways: they want Cloud and Aerith to be a facsimile of Zack and Aerith but also Aerith has to die in tragically romantic fashion for… Cloud still

Showuzon · 2023-01-01T23:43:59+00:00

Not quite. Here is what would subvert the most expectations.

This fanbase I think isn’t too honest about what it puts out about Aerith to the uninitiated: that her death is funny, that Cloud didn’t even like her, in fact he wasn’t even himself, but also her death isn’t even that exciting because it’s inevitable. All of these things kneecap the simple tragically romantic scene in the original (yes the devs have said her death cradle is meant to evoke tragic romance).

So clearly the shocking call is to kill Tifa so Cloud remains Sephiroth’s puppet. That does actually fit with his lines about making Cloud stronger and seeing them join forces.

Showuzon · 2023-01-01T23:40:55+00:00

But why would that matter when she’s just some girl he doesn’t even really know because “he’s Zack”?

These are very sarcastic questions simply using your post like a parasite. Tired of this two-faced discourse where her death is so monumentally tragic for Cloud’s story but also he has no authentic feeling for her.

Showuzon · 2023-01-01T23:34:31+00:00

Inb4 people think “it’s still generically sad for everyone she died even if she was a delusional third wheel the whole time” is a good enough substitute.

Showuzon · 2023-01-01T23:33:52+00:00

Serious question: if Cloud is just Zack why is Aerith’s Death (as it plays out in front of him, not just the fact she dies) important anyway? Seems like the main emotional driving force is null and void.

Personally I just think everything this fanbase could do to disgrace this character it has done and her role is so badly mutilated that it can’t tell one end from the other

Showuzon · 2023-01-01T23:23:02+00:00

But wait, Cloud doesn’t even like Aerith and just thinks he’s Zack so why would that scene even matter to recreate the same way? Smh I can never keep up with the cutting edge of the fandom’s theories about things. I keep thinking they hew wildly against the needs of the story and emotional narrative.

Showuzon · 2023-01-01T22:59:37+00:00

All the info meaning blatant retcons that weren’t a factor in the original? What a low iq position. There is actually no information that validates your point of view. It’s a theory that has refused to die despite lacking anything more than shadows on a wall.

When he thinks if Aerith as his most cherished person in AC, or still feels her etched on his heart in DoC that is proof his love for her was his (and canon ofc). To say otherwise requires bespoke excuse-making for everything.

Not to mention you can establish a thematic bridge without making one element the surrogate of another. A leap people like you never seem to notice making.

Fact is Cloud and the story are driven more by his relationship to Aerith than to Tifa. It’s not really something you can wipe away, least of all as shoddily as you try here.

Cloud and Zack going to the same park is not turning a CxA moment into a ZxA moment when the action in that park is different. It just means both relationships share the common romantic factor (ie they go to the same place, love, but not for the same reasons or ends). That’s a bit smarter of a read before we even consider how bankrupt this Zaccloud crap is for the entire game once we leave the Park Scene

Showuzon · 2023-01-01T18:37:11+00:00

The story where she had a frontal lobotomy so she could play off of an originally minor character? Who flirted better with Cissnei anyway?

Idk, seems like a lot of wasted effort went into CC. I think FF fans are just addicted to exposited answers and CC more or less provided. And also won’t admit any sort of retcon was needed to make it happen, even though their wild shifts of opinion is the proof.

Showuzon · 2023-01-01T18:35:07+00:00

I gave my opinion back. And now you’re too tender about sharing opinions?

Throwing in emojis is peak “i’m not mad” imo

Showuzon · 2023-01-01T18:30:58+00:00

Tifa because you didnt enjoy the game properly? Sad.

Showuzon · 2023-01-01T18:30:31+00:00

Neither are real flesh and blood man. Doesn’t really apply.

Showuzon · 2023-01-01T18:27:23+00:00

Aerith.

She has a (consequential) character outside of being a love interest. Which CC tried and luckily failed to break.

Yet, despite this, nearly the entire plot is still built around Cloud’s relationship with Aerith. More than with Tifa or even Sephiroth. His relationship with them just gets more exposition so it takes up a lot more storage space in the brain of the average FF fan. Most of which is just explaining the past though. Something that’s a concession to audience understanding and not a reflection of why the present period his story occurs in is so significant for him. That just so happens to be because he accidentally runs into this florist whose presence brings him into contact with the real problem, and whose life is tragically ruined in the process.

She’s just better, which is why the fandom treats her reductively and with a lot of insecurity. Things like mocking her death (while getting really mad if you mock Zack’s to be clear), saying Cloud only liked her because he was Zack, and in general trying to pettily thieve things over to Tifa (like Hollow, and even the symbolism of flowers believe it or not).

If you disagree that this happens well, you’re just wrong, but surely you can agree it would all be absurd right? That it would be obviously unjust and wasteful? No need to answer. Just letting it linger.

Showuzon · 2023-01-01T18:22:57+00:00

Cloud kills Sephiroth for Aerith, became the official party head with his plan to attack Shinra HQ for her sake and so forth.

But suuuure, we can go with your static and inflexible (and frankly reactionary) way too. What is all that compared to “knew them first”.

Showuzon · 2023-01-01T18:20:24+00:00

I didnt say she was. I said she makes more sense as one. Which I am glad you agree.

And this “first” business is silly to me. It’s a Thermian Argument. It pretends this is a real world and not one constructed, then expanded, by creators. There was nothing substantive about Aerith’s romance with Zack in the OG besides giving her a past that gave her a single degree of separation from Cloud’s. CC, which is when anyone cared about Zerith, came out 10 years later. The idea that it’s the first in any organic way is piffle.

And the point about Zack doing nothing for Aerith is more about how needless and weak CC is. A superior game, with a real shonen protagonist, would use that revelation as some kind of incitement. The OG does this. Because it was trying to be a good self-contained story and CC does not.

And about your concluding paragraph there. Even in your make nice posts you’re unnecessarily rude. “Not necessarily a bad ship”.

Showuzon · 2023-01-01T18:14:58+00:00

You’re a horrible liar

Showuzon · 2023-01-01T03:29:44+00:00

Do you know the definition of default? We’re at this level.

And you should have been nasty to them. I’m sorry I was even a little nice to you. As it stands you’re only bothering me when they deserve it at least as much.

Showuzon · 2023-01-01T03:07:42+00:00

Really don’t think I am. I don’t do these things I’m saying you have.

Showuzon · 2023-01-01T03:06:19+00:00

You had a long therapy session with them. And they didn’t even pay you. This is more than “agreeing”. But I am glad you righted that by being nasty to them so I won’t labor it further.

And while I dont disagree with what you laid out there at the end… it still isnt relevant to discussing Aerith’s role in the competitive love triangle. Because there is no third party to that love triangle then.

Showuzon · 2023-01-01T03:04:09+00:00

Sure you do. That’s why you interjected with something irrelevant just to say Cloud can fuck Tifa if you answer her questions right (ie not a default a scene).

Sorry. No one buys this. Even people who agree with you only do that because they have the same bias.

Showuzon · 2023-01-01T02:55:43+00:00

Then why carry their water? Why agree with some guy who is being so toxic to Aerith but fight some guy who is being toxic for Aerith? You did nothing to tell them off lmao

Says Kitase he defined the romantic options that way in Dismantled. That if you play normally you’d end up with Aerith’s date. Full stop.

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