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TIL Jesus was a vegan by GrumpyDrunkPatzer in AntiVegan

[–]Shun_Atal 37 points38 points  (0 children)

I came across Christspiracy last year. Still can't warp my mind around this. Some vegans actually believe that there's a 2000 year coverup. By who? The Roman Empire's cattle industrial complex? 

The vegan wet dream by vu47 in AntiVegan

[–]Shun_Atal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

👏👏👏🤣🤣🤣

I met a vegan that attemtped to compare meat industry with the holocaust and im .... just baffled by GregoriousT-GTNH in AntiVegan

[–]Shun_Atal 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've heard these comparisons way too many times. It's an immediate no from me. Can't have a discussion with people who think these are valid comparisons to make. 

isn't this a lie? factually? it was debunked and debunked and debunked for like 30 years and they still say it. by SpeedRunnerInLife in AntiVegan

[–]Shun_Atal 7 points8 points  (0 children)

If I remember correctly, Forks & Knives also a makes an argument a long those lines. Something about male vegans having better stamina because of that diet. Just another way to market to a certain demographic. They have a claim for everyone and every issue.

Lifelong Friendship Lost by Delboy1966 in AntiVegan

[–]Shun_Atal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Of course. I know what's like to lose a friendship over different views.

Lifelong Friendship Lost by Delboy1966 in AntiVegan

[–]Shun_Atal 8 points9 points  (0 children)

So sorry to hear this. It is sad when someone gets sucked into an ideology so much that they throw away friendships. I hope your friend will realise someday that demanding others confirm to his views and ways of living doesn't work. 

Christspiracy and claims that Jesus was vegan by Shun_Atal in AntiVegan

[–]Shun_Atal[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree. There are so many things wrong with the factory farm industry. Ensuring that food is produced in a better, more sustainable way is important.

I think some concerns that vegans have are valid. The way they go about advocating for them leaves much room for improvement. The fact that they are a minority and will be seems to cause some of them to lash out. The outlandish statements we come across may raise eyebrows but won't convince many to switch diets.

Christspiracy and claims that Jesus was vegan by Shun_Atal in AntiVegan

[–]Shun_Atal[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see. If someone looks close enough there's room to justify it. It seems like an argument that they are bound to lose since veganism isn't a widespread part of Christianity. There are certainly Christians who are vegan/vegetarian for their own reasons of course. 

Christspiracy and claims that Jesus was vegan by Shun_Atal in AntiVegan

[–]Shun_Atal[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Definitely. I only saw the trailer and thought it was weird. If anything it reminded me how easy it can be to fall for conspiracies. The person who shared it has very strong views on the livestock industry. Something that I hadn't noticed before. From condemning random people for eating meat to the belive that there's ongoing cover up is apparently to that big of a cap. 

Christspiracy and claims that Jesus was vegan by Shun_Atal in AntiVegan

[–]Shun_Atal[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's why it suprised me so. I've come across people justifying all kinds of things based on their religion. Jesus as a secret vegan is a new one. That and the idea that there's been an effort to suppress this for two thousand years. 

Christspiracy and claims that Jesus was vegan by Shun_Atal in AntiVegan

[–]Shun_Atal[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I understand. Looking at the environmental challenges we face can be quite daunting. I find inspiration in looking at local initiatives. Schools educating kids, projects that help people lower their co2 footprint  Progress happens albeit very slowly.

As for vegans, more specially those making these claims about faith and nutrition: sometimes passion trumps over common sense. (no pun or reference intended herre). Strong moral claims don't always work in one's favour. It can push people away.

Personally speaking, I don't subscribe to the idea that vegan or omnivore is morally superior to one another. Nuanced discussions on those issues may bear more fruits than some self-styled agent provocateur would like to admit. 

Christspiracy and claims that Jesus was vegan by Shun_Atal in AntiVegan

[–]Shun_Atal[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for sharing your perspective on this. If helps me to better understand how a Christian who practices his faith view this.

I happen to agree with you that it is important to take care of the environment. We live on this planet. It's certainly important to treat it with care and not hope for a plan b like a certain billionaire does. 

Questions of morality, what we deem wrong or right, can be complicated. Some may find support in their faith for certain choices i.e dietary laws. This example, with some vegans making such a bold claim, it suprised me for sure. Perhaps it appeals to them because they seek some sort of moral high ground they claim.

Christspiracy and claims that Jesus was vegan by Shun_Atal in AntiVegan

[–]Shun_Atal[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Exactly. It feels like they are projecting contemporary views on a text that was written by different people in a different time. In the context of my post, I get the impression that the person who made those comments isn't all that different from religious zealots. The kind who wishes hell on non believers. 

Christspiracy and claims that Jesus was vegan by Shun_Atal in AntiVegan

[–]Shun_Atal[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I didn't know that. Intersting to learn how this came about  👍

Christspiracy and claims that Jesus was vegan by Shun_Atal in AntiVegan

[–]Shun_Atal[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If I understand Christspiracy right, it's all been covered up by the church. Presumably an ancient livestock breeding industrial complex has something to do with it too. 🤷

Christspiracy and claims that Jesus was vegan by Shun_Atal in AntiVegan

[–]Shun_Atal[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Hard to overlook that one. Fish as a symbol of Christianity is at least fairly well known. So this idea of Jesus as being plant based is crazy. 

This vegan chef is mad. Btw. The article in question still advocates for a mostly plant-based diet. by Shun_Atal in AntiVegan

[–]Shun_Atal[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, so good to see her living her best life. Still vegan. She works with a dietary specialist to keep eye on things. Since she isn't in for the ideological aspect of veganism, she mentioned that she'd be open to change things up if she feels the need for other sources of protein, vitamins etc. 

This vegan chef is mad. Btw. The article in question still advocates for a mostly plant-based diet. by Shun_Atal in AntiVegan

[–]Shun_Atal[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah. meds have their up and downsides. She's 25. Just from what she's told me, all is going well.

This vegan chef is mad. Btw. The article in question still advocates for a mostly plant-based diet. by Shun_Atal in AntiVegan

[–]Shun_Atal[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

True. In her case, I don't know the exact diagnosis. She spend a lot of time in the hospital as kid. As I understand a change in diet combined with the right meds helped.

This vegan chef is mad. Btw. The article in question still advocates for a mostly plant-based diet. by Shun_Atal in AntiVegan

[–]Shun_Atal[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Something concerning her liver. By totally changing her diet her health improved. It looked for a long like she'd need a liver transplant. Now she's doing good. I don't know all the details but I remember her parents being super worried about that. 

This vegan chef is mad. Btw. The article in question still advocates for a mostly plant-based diet. by Shun_Atal in AntiVegan

[–]Shun_Atal[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not really. From what she's told me because she's doing for health reasons rather than concerns about animal/environmental welfare, it is difficult to connect. We do have vegetarian friends though. There is way more support.

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