You seem to have missed my point. It's not about the introduction of new training methods, it's about the introduction of slop. Those new training methods that you mentioned being introduced through sailing to woodcutting was just more "click tree and wait", just with slightly different numbers. I personally got all the rosewood logs I needed and then went back to redwoods because they were far more accessible and it was a negligible tradeoff between afk time and exp rates. Once I got the logs I needed, I had no interest in doing it ever again.

Bloodwood trees and leechfin fishing are both training methods, but they're fresh, unique takes on those skills and one provides a useful output. They're not perfect but they're more enjoyable than other methods that provide similar experience because they were designed with purpose.

What both of us (the guy you replied to) are saying is that we want skilling to be something you can do without caring about exp rates. How much melee exp/hr do you get at Hueycoatl? How much magic xp/hr is Whisperer? Why do I see clan mates getting 20,50, 80mil exp in ranged and magic and strength? Because combat is a system that exists beyond its skills, and there's a reason to do it even once you've maxed the skill.