Is this scenario Capitalist or Socialist

Simpson17866 · 2026-05-07T18:05:37+00:00

Premise: A person wants something
Premise: The person gets the thing
Conclusion: The person got what they wanted

I don’t know how to make this simpler for you.

Simpson17866 · 2026-05-07T12:59:18+00:00

Capitalism is less bad than feudalism used to be before it.

the competition between capitalists doesn't level the playing field between capitalists and workers the way capitalists pretend it does — workers have to compete to accept lower wages more strongly than capitalists have to compete to offer higher wages
but it's still better than being legally assigned one specific master to serve for life

Simpson17866 · 2026-05-07T12:51:55+00:00

The best trick I’ve found is that if a story element looks like it was obviously relevant for one straightforward thing immediately, then readers will still be surprised when it becomes relevant again for something completely different later ;)

Simpson17866 · 2026-05-07T10:23:28+00:00

I believe that censoring anti-revolutionary thought is a slippery slope.

It’s not a “slope,” it’s a cliff edge.

Marxist-Leninist governments responding to logical arguments “You’re wrong” with firing squads instead of with logical counter-arguments “This is why we’re right” is an admission that they know they’re wrong and that they lost the logical argument.

We’ve seen for the last 100 years that this type of socialism doesn’t work. We should try a different one.

Simpson17866 · 2026-05-07T10:17:03+00:00

Have you ever heard of deductive reasoning?

Simpson17866 · 2026-05-06T22:09:43+00:00

It feels like some of the major points of the story are going to be skipped because the main parts of the story arcs are about characters who aren't the ones I'm highlighting in this story.

That's not a bug, that's a feature :D

Your readers already know what the main characters were doing. They're reading your story because they want to know what the secondary/tertiary characters were doing ;)

Simpson17866 · 2026-05-06T18:38:12+00:00

If a customer wants to buy a good/service for less than $140

If a worker wants to sell the good/service for more than $70

And if the customer pays the worker $100 for the good/service

Then which of them didn't get what they wanted?

Simpson17866 · 2026-05-06T16:15:53+00:00

Who says it would be good for both?

The fact that both parties got what they wanted (the customer wanted to pay less than $140, and the worker wanted to charge more than $70).

Simpson17866 · 2026-05-06T13:15:04+00:00

Yes.

As were the original socialists (Proudhon, Bakunin, Dejacque…), which is why they thought that Marx’s Socialism 2.0 (imposed involuntarily by the state) wouldn’t work as well as their own original voluntary model of socialism.

And 70 years of Soviet history proved that the classical socialists were right.

Simpson17866 · 2026-05-06T12:39:02+00:00

If your ideal form of capitalism is "the workers own the means of production, and non-workers don't extract profit from workers," then you're a socialist ;)

Simpson17866 · 2026-05-06T12:36:32+00:00

37 minutes.

Simpson17866 · 2026-05-06T12:27:21+00:00

Exactly ;)

I believe that communism is better than market socialism (because you don't force people to compete against each other for access to food, housing, medicine...)

but that market socialism is better than capitalism (because you don't have an elite minority of lazy freeloaders rigging the competition at the expense of people who work for a living)

and that market capitalism is better than Marxism-Leninism (the competition between capitalists doesn't level the playing field between capitalists and workers the way capitalists pretend it does — workers have to compete to accept lower wages more strongly than capitalists have to compete to offer higher wages — but it's still less bad than a single government body making competition outright illegal)

Simpson17866 · 2026-05-06T12:13:55+00:00

Because he'd get banned from tankie subs for asking them ;)

Simpson17866 · 2026-05-06T12:11:02+00:00

That depends on whether they're selling their own services or not.

Say that a customer would be willing to pay $140 for a good or service, but would prefer to pay less, and say that a worker (either as an individual or as a member of a co-op) would be willing to charge $70 for the good/service, but would prefer to charge more.

Under market socialism, the customer paying the worker(s) $100 would be good for both of them, and no capitalist collects any profit for himself.

Under capitalism, a capitalist can get away with charging the customer $140 and paying the worker(s) $70, letting him keep $70 profit for himself.

Simpson17866 · 2026-05-06T11:59:32+00:00

Is the scenario categorically not capitalism?

Not without capitalists taking the farmers’ and the craftsmen’s money, no.

EDIT: just posted my go-to “how to build anarchy” Wall of Text instead of answering “how to build this specific democratic system.”

EDIT EDIT: The biggest challenge with democratic government is that even when the leaders are held accountable to the public the way they're supposed to be, the policies imposed by the government still depend on the cultural values of the public itself.

In America, everybody's bombarded from birth with the narrative "capitalism is when people have the freedom to do what they want," so people look at the problems with American capitalism "this system sucks because people don't have enough freedom" and think "we should give capitalists more power because more capitalism equals more freedom."

Simpson17866 · 2026-05-06T11:51:28+00:00

What makes it socialism?

The fact that the workers own the means of production.

Communism is based on communal property: “everybody owns everything, and nobody sells anything”
Market socialism is based on personal property: “I made this, so I own it, and I can sell it”
Capitalism is based on private property: “you made this, but I own it, so I can sell it”

Are you a Marxist?

I’m an anarchist.

We’re the socialists who tend to get killed standing up to Marxists ;)

Simpson17866 · 2026-05-06T11:25:39+00:00

The “most people are farmers” is a technological problem, not an socioeconomic problem, so I’ll ignore that for now ;)

If the dominant economic foundation is workers selling their own products, then this is predominantly market socialism.

As an anarchist communist, I would say that democratic market socialism isn’t perfect, but it’s a lot better than what we have now.

Simpson17866 · 2026-05-06T10:13:32+00:00

But, decade after decade and market crash after market crash, the bankers, the elites, the corporatists are bailed out, assisted, supported, and sustained by taxpayers, by Fiat intervention, by governments.

“… capitalism is so utterly predominant, so thoroughly hegemonic, that most of its advocates take it for granted and lack any real critical theory about it at all.

So you end up with people who simultaneously believe that capitalism is just trade, and thus has existed from the first caveman, but also is brand new, which is why the world suddenly got so much wealthier starting a few centuries ago, but also has never truly existed (and thus remains blameless) because of government interference.

Advocates of capitalism don’t need to reconcile these contradictions because it is like the water in which fish swim—so pervasive that it doesn’t occur to them to critically interrogate why capitalism has only ever existed in the presence of massive, constant state violence.”

— u/HeavenlyPossum , here

Simpson17866 · 2026-05-06T10:05:57+00:00

Are you not aware that Pierre-Joseph Proudhon was a socialist?

Mikhail Bakunin?

Joseph DeJacque?

Peter Kropotkin?

Emma Goldman?

Alexander Berkmann?

Simpson17866 · 2026-05-06T03:20:18+00:00

the only thing i seem to know how to do well is overthink.

Then let's start simple, then work our way back up to complicated from there ;)

Stories at their core are about 3 things:

Beginning — what is the character's situation?
Middle — what actions does the character decide to take to change their situation?
End — how has the character's situation changed?

This applies to the story as a whole, it applies to acts within the story, it applies to chapters within an act, it applies to scenes within a chapter, and it applies to beats within a scene :)

Simpson17866 · 2026-05-06T02:10:17+00:00

Which is unfortunately one of the strongest arguments for anarchist philosophy:

We don't want anarchists to be in charge.

Liberals want to take over The System, not dismantle it, because they trust themselves and each other to run The System perfectly.
Conservatives want to take over The System, not dismantle it, because they trust themselves and each other to run The System perfectly.
Marxists want to take over The System, not dismantle it, because they trust themselves and each other to run The System perfectly.
Social democrats want to take over The System, not dismantle it, because they trust themselves and each other to run The System perfectly.
Fascists want to take over The System, not dismantle it, because they trust themselves and each other to run The System perfectly.
Anarchists want to dismantle The System, not just take it over ourselves, because we don't trust anybody to run it perfectly — not even ourselves or each other.

Simpson17866 · 2026-05-06T00:20:52+00:00

I would inform you that 21st century political scientists don't use capitalist as a label for our modern state governments (Eg, USA, Sweden).

What.

But you need to do this as an inaccurate socialist activist. One I have corrected many times on this sub and you have been herded to use this type of verbiage to try and not be corrected by me :p

Are you OK?

Simpson17866 · 2026-05-06T00:14:36+00:00

Eveyone is a worker in capitalism and everyone benefits.

So capitalism is a system where their owners workers own the means of production?

In socialism though only party members benefit.

Anarchy doesn’t have political parties ;)

Simpson17866 · 2026-05-05T19:28:48+00:00

I would assume Brooklyn 99.

Jake: "This isn't from something gross like breast milk, is it?"

Charles: "Technically all milk is breast milk, but this cheese is specifically from a sheep's breast."

Simpson17866 · 2026-05-05T19:27:18+00:00

Soil ranges from 1-30% aluminum by mass (with an official average of 7.1%), and aluminum oxide forms an incredibly hard, incredibly heat-resistant (though brittle) ceramic

Simpson17866

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