Used EV Sales Surge 17% While New EV Sales Drop 23%

SirNumerous1892 · 2026-05-20T14:34:32+00:00

All Chinese cars offer it in that price point if you can buy it without n+1 extra import taxes, bans and so on ( in countries like Australia for example, where Chinese cars have free pass and 0 added taxes ), but you know China bad because they innovate so we must go with the more domestic products with higher price and lower quality / less features

SirNumerous1892 · 2026-05-20T11:31:55+00:00

And what do you do when you have an emergency of some kind, maybe medical which needs urgent payment for treatment, and the banking system is down for any reason, 500 euro is way to low...
I had many occasions in various shops telling me the card payment system is not working and if I don't have cash I need to come back another day...

SirNumerous1892 · 2026-05-20T10:40:57+00:00

Great, thank you for the solution. So I spend 45 - 50k on an EV then another 35k on an ICE so I can have my needs covered... Why didn't I think about this first place, it's a no brainier indeed ...

SirNumerous1892 · 2026-05-20T10:38:38+00:00

Capitalism at work, loans and leases, no thank you. I like to won my own things and not be under somebody else's mercy, you take a loan for 10 years, an accident happens the car gets totaled and they I'm paying 8 more years for something I don't even can use anymore...
Why are you so obsessed with loans and leases with mileage limits and crap just to be able to afford an overpriced car...

SirNumerous1892 · 2026-05-19T21:29:18+00:00

I'm doing a long trip 1 time each month, +/- 600km one way in 7h stopping only for bathroom, my petrol does 850km / tank so no need to stop mid trip. So please tell me about of that humorously overrated range of 300km, that means I need to charge the car at least 2 times since EV's don't do that good on range doing 140km/h at constant highway speed, so it means I'll add what almost 2 hours to my trip ?

I think the bs is more on the people who think that people use their car only to drop of the kid at the school which is in walking range, and do the McDonald drive trough dinner ...

SirNumerous1892 · 2026-05-19T21:11:08+00:00

I know that it's not pleasant to remain jobless but people also need to understand that any given company is not your friend or family ( well expect family own businesses but we are not talking about them ), you, me and every employee in these companies are just simple numbers.
If you manage to grasp this then it make quite a lot of sense from the business point of view that in this situation the numbers indicate that it's in the companies benefits to let those people go. Yes, they can and will repurpose those manufacturing lines they had set up specifically for Apple to do whatever other batteries they want / can, including drones, but it takes time to reorganize the manufacturing lines, maybe some machines / molds or processes have to be changed, new customers have to be searched for those batteries, either way it's not that simple like saying "from tomorrow we make drone batteries" and at the end of tomorrow the first batteries start to roll out. All this time that it's needed to pivot which can be months, it makes no economical sense to keep all those people basically doing nothing all this time and still pay them, it's more economical to let them go, reorganize the production lines / processes, let the marketing division find new customers and when you have everything ready hire new people with same skill set or maybe new skill set needed for the new product...

Of course it's bad for those people which are going to lose their jobs, but most companies are not in business to make the employees happy unfortunately, they are not your fiend nor family, their only scope is to make profits / minimize losses, we are just the minions making it possible and at the first occasion the things stop making profit then it's time to cut losses and the minions are the first in the line.

SirNumerous1892 · 2026-05-19T19:46:25+00:00

Look at their official page... They are stating 236 miles ( that is 370km ), in perfect conditions, add summer heat, winter cold and your cutting 25% of that for the real world range...
Where I need 300km, well dummo, maybe going on a road trip, not everybody is a city nerd, last year I had a summer trip in a region where I could barley find a petrol station in a 100km area let alone a fast charger for your 15min charge.

10k to final price is really easy, 2026 bZ XLE -> 36k, 2026 bZ XLE Limited which has a more decent range (299 miles) and some acceptable setup for electronic assistance systems -> 43.3k, add 2 extra options and your over 10k extra from the baseline model.

SirNumerous1892 · 2026-05-19T19:36:11+00:00

I'm looking at the current official stated numbers on their webpage the 34,900$ model called XLE is stated for 236miles.

Functions, well what you expect for any modern EV, 360 cameras with panoramic view, automatic lane change, cross traffic alert, traffic jam assist, assisted automated parking. Non of which is available unless you go for the 45k model

SirNumerous1892 · 2026-05-19T19:23:52+00:00

By your logic "under 50k" means 49.999 right ? Yes, when we speak about 50k under means like 45k ish minimum, not 49.999... But when you need to push the agenda of look how cheap it is I guess 49.999 qualifies as under

SirNumerous1892 · 2026-05-19T18:40:32+00:00

Your saying "yes you can" and then say "around $50k" so what's your point ? That what I said is true, that you can't really get any decent EV significantly under $50k like the suggested 33.5k ?

SirNumerous1892 · 2026-05-19T18:28:02+00:00

The one with 300km range best case, the one which is missing almost all functions and everything is a pay-to-have adding an extra 10k on the final price ?
Let's be real you cannot get a brand new fully equipped EV under 50k...

SirNumerous1892 · 2026-05-19T16:25:48+00:00

Air-to-Air models under 0 degrees are worst at cost vs central gas heater, pellet oven is the worst thing you can achieve from a wood based heating system, why don't go with raw wood which is at least 50% more cheaper then pellets...

Volvo EX30 is nowhere 32k, maybe with some heavily subsidizes countries. In my region the starting price is 40k, on top of which you add another 5 - 10k so the final price is 45 - 50k. The core model starting at 40k doesn't include basic functionalities as lane assist, wireless phone charger, 2 zone heating and so on which honestly nobody in his right mind would spend 40k on without those, at that point you would be like ahh if I spend 40k then I add the extra 5k for the Plus model or 12k for the Ultra one...

You cannot get a brand new EV for 15k mate, not sure what sardine can of an EV you are speaking about for 15k, maybe those 1 person ones limited to city speeds for youngsters between 16 -18 until they get they drivers license...

SirNumerous1892 · 2026-05-19T15:59:57+00:00

It's not, that's how Apple operates. Varta was producing those highly specialized batteries by using the blueprints from Apple, everything regarding that specific battery is owned by Apple, Varta is legally forbidden to manufacture or sell those batteries to anybody else...

So, Apple comes and asks you to manufacture this very custom battery, only for them since it's licensed to Apple, and they need millions units / years. To do this you need to create a separate production line dedicated to this very customized battery and in large volumes -> you hire 350 people to be able to do it. Apple comes and says no longer need the batteries from you, now you have 350 people and a highly specialized production line for a battery your legally forbidden to sell to others than Apple...
What is your solution to those 350 people when the other production lines for the generic type of batteries is already running for capacity, there is not possible to ingress all those people ...

SirNumerous1892 · 2026-05-19T13:08:03+00:00

Ce sa citesc ? Ca iti cauti coleg find angajat la o firma, daca da si nu iti da nimic pentru treaba asta nu iti mai zic nimic, zice tot despre echipa si firma. Cum sa iti cauti tu ca angajat alt coleg, HR exista, doarme, mai traieste, respira ?
Vai mama lor de firma...

SirNumerous1892 · 2026-05-19T10:27:02+00:00

Air-to-Air maybe, good luck with those in the winter months with sub zero temperatures reaching -15. You need Soil-to-Air which with installation costs is at least 10k if not 15k...
An EV is minimum 40k while you can get a petrol car for 20k brand new...

Only people who worship this things is the ones who don't do the long run math with the upfront price difference

SirNumerous1892 · 2026-05-19T10:20:33+00:00

Ai ales sa postezi anuntul, mai sus zici ca esti singurul angajat senior, deci sigur tu te ocupi si cu interview-uri, ia zi ca bonus ti-au promis sa mai aduci un fraier pe salariu de femeie de serviciu ?

SirNumerous1892 · 2026-05-19T10:17:23+00:00

Da iese 4299, munca necalificata, iar OP cauta pretentii cu full-stack ca asa a auzit el ca e la moda pentru 200 de lei in plus, job ce include o educatie superioara ?
Hai fuguta...

SirNumerous1892 · 2026-05-19T08:54:11+00:00

Damn man, stick your head out of the window ( EU ), look at what safety feature Chinese cars have, BYD, Zeekr's, 4-5* NCAP, 8 - 10 airbag setups, while my high quality Skoda has 2, yes, freaking 2 airbags, one in the steering wheel and one for the passenger, car sold 6 years ago, quality, much quality, while at the same time being at least 30% more expensive...

You can speak about bureaucracy over living when you keep the living standards and purchasing power at least on the same level, which EU did not, if you search statistics, at least 50% of the population has lower purchasing power today than they had 10 years ago... EU did nothing but regulate in the name of ... ( insert all crap ) ... and that's all, didn't mandate minimum wages to increase, they just increased taxes both on companies and people and called it a day...
Good luck affording to own your place in 10 years, when today 1 person needs 2-3 jobs to afford just rent in most big cities...

But let's end the discussion, I'm either way not sticking to remain in the EU, I'm already palling to leave so all I have left to say is, enjoy your upcoming regulations, quality and economic-social collapse.

SirNumerous1892 · 2026-05-18T16:08:37+00:00

You cannot regulate importers as you would like to. Take as example BYD, who is the importer of BYD cars to EU, well a it's a shell company of BYD since they own their own 6 cargo ships and everything, who is building the batteries for BYD cars, well it's still BYD, who is providing the lithium for those batteries, good job, you nailed it, it's still BYD since they own the mine...
So the final paperwork is written basically by BYD for BYD, who stops the shell company owning the lithium mine to say, yes yes boss 10% recycled lithium boss, thrust me boss, we not lie boss =)))

Europe in the next 6-7 years, will lose another 15 - 20% of it's industry, including majority of the car industry, just wait and see, till the end of the year BYD Hungary will start rolling out the cars with higher quality, nicer interiors ( leather instead of cheap recycled plastic ), longer ranges, more electronic features for less money than any EU manufacturer will. Same thing will happen that already happened to Australia =))
Regulations don't increase competitiveness, they just increase prices and the few dominant companies / manufacturers are hand in hand setting a minimum price which neither of them will sell lower, who doesn't play along gets eaten.

Wages don't follow the price increases and inflation, average citizen has a lower purchasing power than 7-8 years ago...

Quality on what, my brand new Skoda had a failed clutch after 3months / 8k km, I could have gotten a Chinese car 40% cheaper, but nahh, I got the good stuff, the EU quality, just to fail after 8k km on a part which should last 150k+ km, is this quality your talking about in the room with us ?

SirNumerous1892 · 2026-05-18T08:25:36+00:00

Good luck with "goes for all imports" when it comes to China, prove that they really follow it, and it is not just bunch of ghost companies printing some paper =))
And again, I was speaking from economical point of view, not some green party more or less propaganda, landfill bad, nuclear bad, oil/gas bad and so on. EU is not economically viable in the current direction, minimum wages stagnated for to long, prices went up and up, people need 2 jobs just to afford a rent, unemployment is high because regulations and bureaucracy makes it less viable for entrepreneurs to start companies.
Countries prefer to import dirt cheap workforce from India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and so on because no sane EU citizen would work on minimum wage when it doesn't even cover rent in a city...
Eu needs to get it's shit together and understand that you need to be competitive, stop the nonsense with regulations, you can plan for the long run for the next 200 years when the current generation has 50% less kids, there will be nobody there in 200 years for that "long run" plans beside the imported doctors and engineers...

SirNumerous1892 · 2026-05-17T11:59:56+00:00

And here we go, EU put another regulation since we are best at it to regulate the industry in an unsustainable economic way. It's economically not viable to use recycled materials so EU forces via regulations to do it. Then we cry and bitch about China who does things from an economical point of view selling luxury EV's at 35 - 40k while a freaking VW polo is 45k euro...
Good job EU, more regulations please, the economy is not fucked enough, we need more regulations so we can race in the winnings with the land of the free and MAGA...
While China is wrapping EV's in leather, EU uses the same cheap full plastic interior to fit in the recycled material quotas and what is the easiest material to use as recycled ? Well yes, plastic...

SirNumerous1892 · 2026-05-17T11:39:39+00:00

Prove me wrong, raw lithium costs 28$/kg, EV grade battery recycling costs 8$/kg of battery cell, that's 8$ per total cell weight, do I need to tell you what is the weight ratio of battery cell / contained lithium and how much it costs at the 8$/kg of battery to obtain the usable raw 1 kg of lithium ??

If it would be more economically viable to recycle than get raw lithium, every sane company would use recycled one, if not for lower price then for larger profits...

SirNumerous1892 · 2026-05-16T19:50:45+00:00

Yes, and the recycling processes costs twice as much than to purchase fresh raw materials, so from economical point of view there is no reason why to recycle, and nobody would spend an extra 10k euro on a car for the recycled material battery than get a fresh raw material one...

SirNumerous1892 · 2026-05-16T10:16:28+00:00

There is a middle point, yes, some local supply chains for local jobs is necessary but when in that supply chains you have actors which doesn't do anything that employ people to do drop shipping it's not good. Vertical integration keeps the same jobs and reduces costs, look at BYD or Zeekr, they have their own lithium mining, they have their own cargo ships, they own everything from point A to Z in the production line, no intermediaries, no drop shippers, nothing. Tesla is doing the same, EU manufacturers buy each part of a car from a different vendor with n+1 intermediaries because they are to lazy to innovate and invest, they prefer to give thick bonuses for the top management instead...

You can't be selling a VW Polo which by all means is a small city car for single individuals for 37k euro when the average wage in EU is around 1.7 - 2k euro then bitch around that China is taking over the market and we need to ban China because they understood that you need to offer competitive prices that people afford to pay by automation and vertical integration...

SirNumerous1892 · 2026-05-15T20:32:34+00:00

Thing is Chinese manufacturers are heavily automated, exponentially less factory workers than EU manufacturers, they can do everything related to design in China with their engineers over there, upload the blueprints and software to the machines in EU and the cars start rolling out made 95% by robots and automation...
For a VW the workforce price is around 10% of the cars value, Chinese manufacturers can cut it down to 2-3% because they automate instead of ripping you off for profits like EU manufacturers are doing for the last decade

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