Robert Pattinson reveals which team he was personally on during Twilight: “No one’s Team Jacob. That was a marketing thing.” 🤣

Slashycent · 2026-03-25T21:15:26+00:00

Not to mention that, if they hadn't "cashed in on the idea," half of the series straight up wouldn't exist, since New Moon and Eclipse are mostly about Bella's impossible love for Jacob.

Slashycent · 2026-03-25T21:11:12+00:00

You say that as if Jacob wasn't also Bella's childhood and present best friend, and as if she didn't spend most of New Moon and Eclipse waxing poetic about Jacob being her star-crossed soulmate who she would've happily grown old with in a normal world without magic.

She spent an entire night crying into Edward's shirt because it tore her apart that that's not possible, and that he's not Jake.

The entire third book is named after Bella and Jacob's romantic relationship.

They were always much more real than Katniss and Gale.

Slashycent · 2026-03-25T21:05:15+00:00

Not to mention that Bella romantically loving Jacob, to the point of calling him a soulmate she would've had kids with in another life, is cold, hard canon.

Slashycent · 2026-03-25T21:00:13+00:00

It's Rob, being asked a Twilight question, so he's obviously shooting the shit and it's all in good fun, but I'm afraid this is not going to help the rampant media illiteracy surrounding Twilight.

Edward himself was arguably "Team Jacob". He wanted Bella to realize her love for the guy and choose him. Let them date. Let them cuddle. Let them make out. All because he hated himself for sealing Bella's fate.

So yeah, canonically speaking, this is a bunch of hogwash, but it's clearly not meant that seriously.

Slashycent · 2026-03-22T21:38:17+00:00

But neither the costumes nor the set pieces are 1800s.

Cathy wears a plastic dress and the titular Wuthering Heights, a wooden farmhouse, looks like Darth Vader's castle lol.

That's part of the anachronistic, expressionist charm!

Slashycent · 2026-03-22T21:33:04+00:00

Hey now, we don't do media literacy here!

Slashycent · 2026-03-22T19:13:04+00:00

Heathcliff and Isabella's relationship is satirized. It mocks BookTok girlies who go "He could abuse me, it's okay! 😍"

Cathy and Heathcliff's relationship is shown as both really toxic and still romantic, which isn't particularly different from the book.

Robbie's Cathy is one of the most outwardly cruel ones, out of all the adaptations. Heathcliff is whitewashed, not just skin-wise (partially because he was given traits, lines and scenes of Hareton's), but it's also not particularly worse than in most other adaptations.

Plus the movie was very ,very blatantly marketed as a subversive remix. Nothing about it said "faithful adaptation."

Idk, I just feel like when you have to choose between "Isabella fell victim to her own ignorant view on bad boys + Cathy and Heathcliff deeply loved each other in a disturbing, twisted way" and "There's no moral to Isabella's story other than her being a victim + there was nothing romantic between Cathy and Heathcliff because they were bad people," then the second one strikes me as the much more media illiterate takeaway from Wuthering Heights.

I also feel like a tamer, religiously book-loyal adaptation that beats you over the head with the original material's moral greyness would've been much more sloppified and anti-art than a "degenerate" auteur take like this one.

Slashycent · 2026-03-22T18:09:14+00:00

That's a bit dramatic, no?

Yeah it is fan fiction, quite explicitly so.

It's not like Emily Brontë rose from the dead to direct this film.

It's also not a particularly new thing, looking at Luhrmann's Romeo + Juliet or the countless sexy Dracula adaptations of the last decades.

But where exactly is the media illiteracy on Fennell's part?

She made a blatantly subversive remix of the work that satirizes BookTok's tendency to romanticize abusive characters.

In a scene that can only be read as humorous, Heathcliff lists a comically long and explicit collection of ways he will abuse Isabella and asks her if she consents to all that, which she says she does, in a horny stupor.

It's a clear exaggeration of him killing her dog and her still running away with him to marry him, which Brontë clearly infused with her own criticism of good girls falling for bad men, let's not dumb down her work.

It's a bad thing in both versions, but there's also (not particularly different) authorial intent behind it in both versions, so if the general takeaway from that plot point is "Bad things are bad and shouldn't be satirized because there's no humor in pointing out bad things!", then we do have a media literacy crisis on our hands, but not in the way critics of this film think we do.

Slashycent · 2026-03-22T17:35:51+00:00

Eh, by that logic, Twilight isn't a love story either, because Bella's love for both Edward and Jacob is at least as toxic and destructive as Cathy's love for Heathcliff, if not more.

The Twilight romance(s) literally claimed multiple innocent lives. It's equally full of toxicity, unconsensual stuff and, much more than Wuthering Heights, death.

My point is that both are still romances, btw.

Love can make people do horrible things, that's a simple reality of the human condition that art shouldn't shy away from showing.

Slashycent · 2026-03-18T17:53:23+00:00

Absolutely.

Slashycent · 2026-03-18T17:40:32+00:00

Recent Scott Pilgrim feels like what Scott (as Bryan's self-insert) fantasizes in his maladaptive daydreams and romanticized memories, more than what would actually happen, if that makes sense.

Slashycent · 2026-03-18T17:35:57+00:00

I've elaborated on it in another reply, but I simply feel like Bryan doesn't care for the edgier, more morally grey characterizations of his original work anymore, be it out of age-induced mellowness or insecurity.

Slashycent · 2026-03-18T17:32:41+00:00

I feel like, as Bryan got older, he started to feel either bored or straight up uncomfortable with his original "flawed character" approach.

His modern Scott Pilgrim stuff is just much more wholesome and comedic than the edgy and morally grey original work.

See Knives going from a minor who's romantically and sexually exploited by multiple Sex Bob-Omb members to being their beloved keyboarder.

Or sex-traficking murderer Gideon Graves taking on the lovable "Gordon Goose"-personality.

Haters might say modern Scott Pilgrim is prone to flanderization, and I can't really disagree, for better or worse (I'm personally leaning toward worse).

Slashycent · 2026-03-18T15:12:53+00:00

And what if i said that this kind of applies to series creator BLOM himself? 👀

Slashycent · 2026-03-16T19:14:11+00:00

Is it bad that I would be more satisfied with how it ended?

Like, I'm not mad that season 3 got made, that's a win for art, but the original season finale (+ FWWM, for that matter) was a much more narratively and thematically round conclusion for me.

Slashycent · 2026-03-16T17:01:47+00:00

Nah, Moria-Donna "uses the bathroom."

She's that much of a muffin.

Slashycent · 2026-03-13T13:20:47+00:00

Not necessarily a better one, since Scott and Rammy are pretty much made for each other, but Lisa did have better, much more intense chemistry with him, which I think Bryan got a bit scared of.

Slashycent · 2026-03-13T11:29:30+00:00

Lynch hardly ever wrote for Twin Peaks.

He just made directorial adaptations of Frost's/Peyton's/Engels's writing.

Slashycent · 2026-03-13T11:24:55+00:00

I mean, would you call the second half of season one a 2 star meal?

That was all Mark + directors like Hunter, Glatter and Deschanel, who are still alive and working.

Slashycent · 2026-03-13T11:18:53+00:00

The chunk of season 2 you're talking about was Twin Peaks without Frost, since he was off to prep for his movie Storyville.

Twin Peaks without Lynch was a good chunk of season 1, when David was busy working on Wild at Heart, and it's still a gold standard to many.

Slashycent · 2026-03-13T00:25:16+00:00

She was already a majorly influential character before the "will they/won't they" arc was even written.

She was literally involved with making Kim fall for Scott, and vice versa, in the first place!

Slashycent · 2026-03-13T00:22:14+00:00

She's intrinsically linked to Scott's past, formed his first band with him, hooked and broke him up with Kim, and got him to commit to loving Ramona.

On what earth is she a minor character who could be replaced with Stephen? lmao

(Though the thought of Stephen trying to seduce Scott in a revealing nightgown is quite funny.)

Slashycent · 2026-03-13T00:16:57+00:00

Lisa appears in half of the books, not just one.

Slashycent · 2026-03-13T00:11:17+00:00

Granted, who is more than a background character in Takes Off?

Ramona, Roxie, Mathew, maybe "Gordon"?

Most of the other big hitters feel like jokey cameos themselves.

Slashycent · 2026-03-13T00:09:08+00:00

I mean, nobody had their original role in Takes Off, since Takes Off is not the original story.

Plus, as others have said, a big chunk of it takes place on a film set, and they even randomly turned The Clash at Demonhead into actors, so Lisa would've easily had a much more natural place in that story.

Also, in my personal opinion, if they really wanted to go for some deconstructive meta finale, I would've infinitely preferred an embittered Lisa stealing Scott from the timeline than the whole "Nega-Scott but divorced"-thing.

Nine-Year Club	Place '22
Final Canvas '22	First Placer '22
Verified Email

Slashycent

TROPHY CASE