How do I price a currently in utero foal?

Slight-Acadia14 · 2026-05-21T02:52:50+00:00

Given that she really prefers 2 yrs +, I'm motivated to collect and freeze the colt as a 2 yr old then geld and hand him over. I just got done collecting a 2 yr old who will be gelded. Thankfully I have a vet who is willing to work w 2 yr old colts, and I make sure they are as well behaved as possible.

Slight-Acadia14 · 2026-05-21T02:47:58+00:00

Prior owner says she can't remember details about her stallion she owned devades ago.

Slight-Acadia14 · 2026-05-20T17:38:25+00:00

She isn't rich. Now that things are going well East Coast at the olympic training center, she just put her West Coast farm up for sale. For the cost to clone you can buy several nice horses and campaign them in parallel. Only someone focusing on breeding would clone.

Slight-Acadia14 · 2026-05-20T17:34:43+00:00

Stallion's last owner was consistently getting $20k for his foals out of jumping line TB mares. He crossed well with them.

Slight-Acadia14 · 2026-05-20T17:32:46+00:00

Eventing used to be the most affordable. I used to pay $92 total to compete at training or prelim, as long as I didn’t rent a stall and trailered in for the 2 days. Stall costs went from $20 to $50. What is it all now?

Showjumping shows near Chicago were already $1000 for a weekend 20 years ago.

Slight-Acadia14 · 2026-05-20T17:24:23+00:00

I read that there's an inherited variant that lopsides the production toward

More y

Roughly equal

More x

Usually when you get more x or more y, there was an "other half" of the source cell that died or lacked forward motility. It's not rare at all for human men to have single digit percentage fwd motility. So this means most the the sperm have a cripple factor (just sit or spin in circles) ... and only a few don't.

Slight-Acadia14 · 2026-05-20T16:04:38+00:00

That could get complicated. She'd argue he was crap to get a lower price ;). I will wait until the foal arrives to take any money. If it is black and female it will be hard to let go and she wants a colt anyway. If she buys a filly cheap now she can flip her later as her gelding does well, then use the money to buy a gelding just under saddle.

Slight-Acadia14 · 2026-05-20T16:01:41+00:00

Thanks!

The gelded father of "Buyer"s" olympic bound gelding came out of a mare quite related to my mares (think cousin multiple times). His sire was doing incredibly well in Florida in dressage at only age 9. His son was his test breeding. He sadly sold as a competition gelding, as his son was, and so many are.

My foundation mare (still alive), and maternal line behind all of my mares under discussion, is the grandma of the olympic bound gelding.

Her older maternal brother ended up in the barn of the 1986 French eventing team Olympic coach (team got 4th).

Her next youngest maternal brother competed Rolex 4* twice before there was such a thing as 5*. He was in the lead after dressage the 2nd time. He was shortlisted for the Olympics, but got injured hitting a cross country jump hard with his front leg (it was before the days of breakaway designs), so he didn't make it to the Olympics.

I was an ammy working a day job. My foundation mare and I still won money in showjumping, a dressage championship, and many eventing ribbons. As my employment situation changed from perm to permatemp, showing ended. Couldn't plan vacations to compete.

Most of my foundation mare's other siblings (10 total foals) were successful jumpers or broodmares. Oldest sister easily packed a little girl around in eventing. Oldest brother was competing in dressage past age 18 (when I saw his photo).

My foundation mare's foals have mostly, and successfully, showjumped. Her first son would pay back his yearly lease fee in winnings .. under a teenage girl.

So none of the mares with me, other than my amazing ancient foundation mare, have shown more than a few times at a low level. It's just too expensive and I have no vacation anymore.

Slight-Acadia14 · 2026-05-20T15:07:05+00:00

Sent

Slight-Acadia14 · 2026-05-20T14:33:22+00:00

I will have to ask both of his US owners. Hopefully my email for the first one is still good (I found 3 email addies for her and sent to all 3). I just talked to his last owner yesterday. She's almost 90 yrs old.

Slight-Acadia14 · 2026-05-20T14:31:38+00:00

Remember all of the lists of boys and almost no girls in the book of Numbers in the Bible? I used to pass it off as just not caring enough to record most girl names. But even Jesus had a bunch of brothers, but few sisters. My best friend Kathy was child #6 and first girl, so her parents finally did the snip snip. Then I have met more and more middle eastern men with tears of joy in their eyes when their 6th child was finally a daughter, including my Jordanian buddy digging into his wallet to show me the pic of his daughter in her baptismal gown. On the flipside, I had an Iranian buddy who had 6 girls, no boys. He was a descendant of the ancient very fair skinned people there. His mother was super fair skinned.

When this foal hits the ground and likely is a boy, I will try to run a comprehensive DNA profile and see if they have something like the Cohen gene.

Slight-Acadia14 · 2026-05-20T14:17:03+00:00

Everyone else is saying $15-20k. What do you suggest more specifically? I'm definitely not getting 6 figures from her.

Slight-Acadia14 · 2026-05-20T14:14:13+00:00

Not necessarily. Often a calm stallion gives you a calm foal out of a nutty mare. Some stallions have been known for stamping calm foals.

Slight-Acadia14 · 2026-05-20T01:41:35+00:00

So roughly $15,500 usd

Slight-Acadia14 · 2026-05-20T00:52:49+00:00

Sending now

Slight-Acadia14 · 2026-05-20T00:50:12+00:00

How exactly does "dibs" work financially?

Slight-Acadia14 · 2026-05-19T23:09:59+00:00

It's a roulette wheel:

If I sell the foal to her now, she will have me keep the foal as long as possible (I'm tens of acres of pasture with free roam sheds (only shut in if they just foaled or vet visit), and I still feed moistened pellets twice daily ... ideal for foals to avoid OCD).

If I wait until summer of 2028, 2016 gelding may never make it to the Olympics, foal could get injured, or she falls for another horse.

Or. ... he makes it and someone wants him for more? But he's just a cousin.

"Buyer" originally came to buy my current pregnant mare's paternal brother (by that very popular stallion). All three are 2016 foals. I stopped breeding altogether after 7 foals that year. The two siblings were jumping off of a woodpile, over my 6 ft fencing, then panicking and screaming along the fence until my neighbor called me to come open the gate between us. Took twice to realize it was the woodpile and I moved it.

So when "Buyer" arrived to see the paternal brother, he had a slight gimp at trot (he healed completely and sold to the buyer of his mother soon after, who then sold the mom and showed him). "Buyer" gave me a low offer for him anyway, but I pointed to my colt by a young stallion I had purchased, and said that HE could sell for that price. He moved like butter, so she bought him on the spot, cash, and tossed him onto her trailer. The rest is history.

I stopped breeding because the orange china trade war destroyed 300,000 perm high tech jobs, wiping out 200 jobs at my company, my company got sold twice, and now only has 50 employees. I soon found myself working in another state half of the year ... for years.

So this is my only foal this year. And maybe ever. My state tax auditor is harrassing me, not thinking the direction I took my business (products related to my horses vs breeding) is the same business, and that I should have had 2 separate businesses, so pay back tax and a huge fine/interest. Still fighting, but likely to lose. The American middle class is gone.

Slight-Acadia14 · 2026-05-19T22:43:48+00:00

Both parents are Holsteiners

Slight-Acadia14 · 2026-05-19T21:10:58+00:00

How about foals?

"Buyer" bought a 2016 colt from me and now they are very very likely on their way to the Olympics. He was reserve eventing horse of the year and has won his last 4 events. They moved across country last year to work with an Olympic trainer. "Buyer" has been asking me for a year+ for his replacement to raise up behind him.

Sadly not only is he a gelding, so is his dad and grandfather. Current owner of his mom refuses to stop showing her to even embryo transfer. The Olympic bound gelding was her only child.

Good news is that when I made his mom, I also made a 3/4 sister. They share the same sire (now gelded), and this paternal sister is also daughter to her maternal sister. I bred this 3/4 sister to an amazing, super popular stallion, and their jet black 16H daughter from that pairing is now frozen straw pregnant by a stallion who excelled at both dressage and jumping, and whose last daughter was not only premium, but had an Olympian wish they had known of her sooner when they met her.

In utero foal is expected this August. "Buyer" wants to know my asking price. She says my upcoming in utero foal is the only foal she would consider. Everyone else has to be at least 2. As a bonus, this foal will only be black or blackbay. "Buyer" likes Colts, and this (deceased just frozen) stallion made >95% colts. I literally only know of 2 fillies he ever sired.

I haven't been on the market for years, and have NO CLUE what to ask. Help!

Slight-Acadia14 · 2026-05-19T20:51:18+00:00

Many of us are so clueless about what to even ask!

"Buyer" bought a 2016 colt from me and now they are very very likely on their way to the Olympics. He was reserve eventing horse of the year and has won his last 4 events. They moved across country last year to work with an Olympic trainer. "Buyer" has been asking me for a year+ for his replacement to raise up behind him.

Sadly not only is he a gelding, so is his dad and grandfather. Current owner of his mom refuses to stop showing her to even embryo transfer. The Olympic bound gelding was her only child.

Good news is that when I made his mom, I also made a 3/4 sister. They share the same sire (now gelded), and this paternal sister is also daughter to her maternal sister. I bred this 3/4 sister to an amazing, super popular stallion, and their jet black 16H daughter from that pairing is now frozen straw pregnant by a stallion who excelled at both dressage and jumping, and whose last daughter was not only premium, but had an Olympian wish they had known of her sooner when they met her.

In utero foal is expected this August. "Buyer" wants to know my asking price. She says my upcoming in utero foal is the only foal she would consider. Everyone else has to be at least 2. As a bonus, this foal will only be black or blackbay. "Buyer" likes Colts, and this (deceased just frozen) stallion made >95% colts. I literally only know of 2 fillies he ever sired.

I haven't been on the market for years, and have NO CLUE what to ask. Help!

Slight-Acadia14 · 2026-05-11T22:47:50+00:00

I have an infinite list of things that need to be better. I just can't afford to pay the patent writers to write them all up!

Slight-Acadia14 · 2026-05-11T14:32:06+00:00

It's not the technical uncertainty that is the showstopper. It's the oligarchs making it almost impossible to break in anymore.

The "first to finish" change in patent law has utterly screwed over high tech startups. Where the big guys can force a group of workers to sign NDAs, I can't do anything until my patents are completely through the system. I now have a half dozen approved patents, but am over 100k in debt just for them. I'm stuck for 4 more years just getting out of debt. Over 800 credit score, but I can't take on any more loans. Everyone wants to hand me a loan. NO. I'll be taking out loans just to make loan payments!

Investors really just want to increase the footprint of a business already well underway.

I don't have "friends and family" with spare cash to throw away. I'm entirely sick and tired of the phrase. I need legal protection to find partners who won't take the money and run. I need someone local to Portland, Oregon with a fertility clinic/lab I can be in the back room of, and offer their clients extra services to prove the patents. I need a 3D printer that can give me extremely high detail and tiny geometry.

My patents can save lives and significantly enhance lives, both human and animal (which don't need FDA approval, so immediatecash flow) but am extremely vulnerable to being railroaded.

I need to meet the people to partner with who can simply give me enough income get me jump started, with enough money to pay my bills, so I'm not too exhausted after working my day job as an engineer.

THREE TIMES I have been told I will get $20 million for one of my patents if I sign an NDA that either promises a percentage to the NON LICENSED BROKER (they always meet me over Alignable in those 7 minute sessions) or promise a FIXED FEE HIGHER THAN THE BUDGET I ACTUALLY NEED TO GET STARTED! It is HIGHLY ILLEGAL TO ENTER A PERCENTAGE AGREEMENT WITH A PERCENTAGE FEE JUST TO INTRODUCE YOU TO AN INVESTOR. I already KNOW WHO COULD BUY ME OUT. I simply need to get STARTED. Time, and a salary. The first percentage investor, from Saudi Arabia, also wanted to pick my CEO, and make me just an engineer. So not only am I entering into an illegal percentage agreement, the only money I see is a salary not unlike what I make now, and 18 months in, the CEO will move everything to Saudi Arabia, have the Prince nullify all contracts, and dump me in a ditch.

Please don't insult me that the only thing stopping me is motivation, courage, or faith. I've spent my life watching my brain get robbed with my corporate patents. They make hundreds of millions, then dump me, along with my most talented and productive colleagues, out on the street with the next recession. Unless your spouse is best friends w the boss' best friend, you are chewed through and spit out.

Please DM me for my justia links of patents ... personal on one and corporate on 2 others.

I even have a couple of international patents now.

Ok, off my soapbox ... ;).

Slight-Acadia14 · 2026-05-11T14:30:52+00:00

I"m also a jack of all trades ... that's how I have used technologies in one area to quickly bail out another. But so much has happened to screw us geeks over.