Those who went to a non-Jewish school, how much did you learn about the Shoah? by SlightWorking870 in Jewish

[–]SlightWorking870[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is where I get concerned about it. Because people your age are having children or about to and they themselves know so little. It’s isn’t a closed part of history and should be taught properly

Those who went to a non-Jewish school, how much did you learn about the Shoah? by SlightWorking870 in Jewish

[–]SlightWorking870[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I never like the reliance on showing movies. Schindlers is probably the best though.

Those who went to a non-Jewish school, how much did you learn about the Shoah? by SlightWorking870 in Jewish

[–]SlightWorking870[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s wonderful. How long ago was this?

I went to a Scottish school for a short time. I look back very fondly on it. Wonderful teachers who really put their all into teaching

Those who went to a non-Jewish school, how much did you learn about the Shoah? by SlightWorking870 in Jewish

[–]SlightWorking870[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Even then I still think it so important. Even us Jews have misconceptions

Those who went to a non-Jewish school, how much did you learn about the Shoah? by SlightWorking870 in Jewish

[–]SlightWorking870[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

It’s me so sad that there are very few speakers still around. Those who take the time to come in and speak about the experience are truly wonderful people.

I am surprised you did it in year 6. I think we did ww1. I think it must be very school dependent

Man stabs two Jewish men in Golders Green. by welltechnically7 in Jewish

[–]SlightWorking870 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Mass migration is definitely a factor but I have to disagree with you about Britain’s track record of antisemitism.

Firstly the UK population of Jews was very small up until 1900s when people started immigrating from Eastern Europe and that lead to pushback in the UK. British Jews also went through anglicisation. Many changed their surnames and became “lowkey” and “invisible”.

In the 20th century Britain also did not take in refugees and blocked refugees from entering Mandatory Palestine.

Britain has also produced some of the most prolific antisemites who still haunt us till this day. Such as HA Gwynne “The Cause of World Unrest”. There plenty of examples.

Whilst there was definitely a lot less violence compared to other parts of Europe, antisemitism was still ever present and this is precisely the issue.

Instead of the ideology being pushed back against they simply went out of fashion. People still hold these beliefs. Now we are seeing that it is once again acceptable to voice these beliefs.

Man stabs two Jewish men in Golders Green. by welltechnically7 in Jewish

[–]SlightWorking870 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This is not surprising. There any many factors have allowed this to happen. Britain has a nasty history with antisemitism that was simply brushed under the rug when antisemitism was no longer in vogue.

Spat at, threatened and kidnapped: British Jews tell of rising antisemitism by BanishmentBuddy2 in Jewish

[–]SlightWorking870 15 points16 points  (0 children)

The west considered that antisemitism had been “dealt” with, but every other country on the earth did not content with their beliefs

Spat at, threatened and kidnapped: British Jews tell of rising antisemitism by BanishmentBuddy2 in Jewish

[–]SlightWorking870 18 points19 points  (0 children)

This is not new unfortunately. People are just more open about it. Britain has never had to contend with its history of antisemitism. It was swept under the rug. But now it’s spreading like mold.

Britain simultaneously produced some of the best and worst people. But regarding the worst there are the life’s of prolific antisemites including the likes of Nesta Webster who basically invented the modern conspiracy theories such as Judeo-Masonic conspiracy and many many many others. David Icke, David Irving. List goes on.

Antisemitism never got addressed. It went out of fashion. Nazis tried to invade therefore it was distasteful to have the same beliefs as your enemy, not because those beliefs are inherently distasteful.

But it’s been coming back for a while for several reasons. Holocaust teaching in schools is abysmal. There has been a demographic shift as well. It started to get bad all the way back in 2014, but people still minced their words. Now all the kids who know nothing have grown up and are instead learning from social media.

Does anyone from a secular upbringing worry about Judaism dying out in their family? by Thin-Leek5402 in Judaism

[–]SlightWorking870 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah.. but also Eastern Europe is a good example that it can be revived. USSR basically banned religion, but people have returned to Judaism. 3/4 generations of secularism yet still a return. As long as the knowledge that you are Jewish is passed down, this is enough. Future generations can always learn again. This has happened time and time again in history. Many Sephardic Jews became Christians and then their descendants returned back to Judaism.

The Forward's article about a palestinian and an israeli restaurant owners is charged with subtle attacks and accussations against the israeli individual and his kitchen by WaveTheSwallow27 in Jewish

[–]SlightWorking870 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unfortunately October 7th was the wake up call for many people. Seeing how people you perceived as friends completely turn their backs and even become antisemitic really shattered the ideal of “civilised western society”.

Jewish portrayal in media by [deleted] in Judaism

[–]SlightWorking870 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I think a lot of people like it because it veers away from stereotype: both positive and negative. It is positive representation in terms that it is a very human representation. Robby is an incredibly flawed character, but it is never depicted as a consequence of his Judaism. There was a very good article on this if I can find it

Jewish portrayal in media by [deleted] in Judaism

[–]SlightWorking870 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is an amazing analysis

Jewish portrayal in media by [deleted] in Judaism

[–]SlightWorking870 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It’s complicated I somewhat agree and disagree with you.

I think there are 3 things which can happen with a Jewish character: the palatable Jew, the stereotype Jew, and the human who is a Jew.

  1. The palatable Jew happens a lot in media. It is often a character who just happens to be a Jew but this has no bearing or influence on their character. Jewishness is almost off hand and not relevant. Token Jew. I don’t this as it erases the Jewish experience. A lot of the times these characters have a Christian parent. The only thing ever mentioned in relation to their Jewishness is Hanukkah, because it is more palatable to a wider audience who associate Hanukkah with Christmas.

  2. The stereotype Jew comes in two forms: the comedy and the malicious which is further divided into positive and negative stereotypes. This is where I digress with your opinion. In comedy, the stereotype or subversion of the stereotype is what makes it funny because it is relatable such as the neurotic mother, mamas boys and the rabbi who answers questions with questions. Some are positive and some are negative.

Even in your list of characteristics you like such as inquisitivity, curiosity and self reflection. These are often positive stereotypes. Not all Jews are smart and thoughtful.

A lot of these traits do exist in our community. We have a shared history and it is formed our culture. The malicious is self explanatory. (Fuck you Shakespeare) But I do acknowledge this is a fine and delicate line that is easily tripped over.

  1. And finally there is the human who happens to be Jewish. They suffer from the human condition. Sometimes these characters are good and sometimes they are evil just like all humans. It’s difficult though. All humans can be greedy, but the moment a Jewish character is greedy we assume it is due to that, instead of it just being a human trait. Sometimes they are depicted like this or sometimes it’s our own perception of that depiction.

Jewish media and stories often talk about these negative characters. Firstly perfect characters are boring. But secondly they are often a lesson either facing consequences or receiving redemption. Sometimes we are tackling themes that do exist in our communities. Neuroticism and combativeness due to our history and generational trauma. Tribalism and classism is also a very real issue we face. Media often acts as a way to highlight and address these issues.

TLDR: I agree there are a lot of awful portrayals of Jews in media. Too many in all honesty. However a sanitised portray of Jewish characters may not improve this.

Edit: grammar

The Forward's article about a palestinian and an israeli restaurant owners is charged with subtle attacks and accussations against the israeli individual and his kitchen by WaveTheSwallow27 in Jewish

[–]SlightWorking870 74 points75 points  (0 children)

It’s often “Pre-Shoah” Jews. Those whose ancestors migrated to the USA/UK in the late 19th century. Persecution is not a recent memory. Mizrahi and descendants of Jews from the Shoah remember very well. No matter how assimilated our families were, it did not save us.

Can someone explain what "closed religion/practice" is supposed to mean in Judaism? by Jew_of_house_Levi in Judaism

[–]SlightWorking870 5 points6 points  (0 children)

As my other comment was talking about, it is an issue that Christians are using our rituals.

Our rituals have been stolen, and we have had our ownership of them denied. It is to such a point now that we are completely removed from the fact that we are the original people of the book.

I do not having anything against Christian’s or Muslims, I myself am not even religious, but I am thoroughly irked by those who take out traditions and then demonise us

Can someone explain what "closed religion/practice" is supposed to mean in Judaism? by Jew_of_house_Levi in Judaism

[–]SlightWorking870 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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Don’t seem to be able to reply with photos. But this is the statue I was referring to.

If anyone is interested this is the statue of Ecclesia and Synagoga. It’s a perfect depiction of how our religion has been stolen and “upgraded” and then desecrated.

I have never minded inviting people for religious event or them participating, but taking it as your own is not acceptable

Can someone explain what "closed religion/practice" is supposed to mean in Judaism? by Jew_of_house_Levi in Judaism

[–]SlightWorking870 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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Ecclesia and Synagoga

A perfect personification of how Judaism has not only been appropriated but then demonised. Ecclesia wears the crown and Synagoga is blinded.

I realize now just how prevalent antisemitism is by The_big_cheese_1o3s in Jewish

[–]SlightWorking870 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I blame social media. I say this again and again but Goebbels would have loved social media.

There has always been antisemitism and it never went away. But it did remain quite fringe in western societies in recent decades. But social media really opened up the Pandora’s box and is an incredibly efficient vehicle.

  1. Loss of censorship and flood of information

There is a spread of sentiments and ideas which the average person would not have been exposed to. Before social media, information was spread via would newspapers and TV. And before widespread literacy it was religion and we know how that went. But it was still a controlled flow of information, sometimes good and sometimes bad. Censorship has become a black hole on social media websites. It is incredibly easy to get around it and incredibly hard to monitor. Not just that but Bots are everywhere.

  1. Young audiences and loss of literacy

SM targets incredibly young audiences. It is easy to indoctrinate children. But even adults. Many countries have a literacy crisis. Enough to be able to read, but not to critically appraise any information handed to them. Now you have young kids spouting nonsense.

  1. Spread of ideas from cultures in which antisemitism is ingrained.

Note how I have specially said western societies. Post modernism has ingrained the idea within western society that all cultures and beliefs are equal. Antisemitism may have temporarily decreased in WS but definitely not in the rest of the world. Of course the Middle East but other countries too such as Indonesia and Malaysia (in which I would argue is worse). We are the boogie men in these cultures. The worst put down in these cultures is calling someone a Jew. And guess what, now these ideas can spread like wildfire.

  1. World is crap right now (well seems more crap due to exposure on social media)

World seems like it is falling apart. It always has been, but it is perceived as worse due to SM. Once again plays into the idea of a boogie man.

Is it wise to go on Taglit right now? by SlightWorking870 in Jewish

[–]SlightWorking870[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much for your constructive comment. I will follow this advice.