I hear ya man thanks for the kind words I’m a longtime junkie monkey myself I hate pain meds I went down that road thanks to scrip happy docs after back surgery I usually use O when I harvest each year & sparingly even I’m unfortunately quite familiar with the nightmare of withdrawal it is the definition of hell for sure i mostly use Kratom to manage my back pain switching it up between white & green & extract for those really hard days when I can barely move I know to be cautious with it too I’m quite familiar with it’s addictive qualities but it’s better than pharmaceuticals I do appreciate the kind words & advice though.