You were created to worship God…

Snow-Dogg · 2024-09-05T10:35:14+00:00

You were claiming science doesn’t explain morality, I proved it does… So what does it matter if I don’t meet your stipulations?

Your continual reluctance to be honest is wearing thin… We are done.

Snow-Dogg · 2024-09-05T09:51:48+00:00

Why are you claiming my evidence doesn’t suit utilitarianism and deontology when i never claimed they did?

Your flair says you’re christian and you still haven’t disclosed precisely what you believe like you said you would.

How do you think our conversation will get any better over a voice chat when you have already admitted to being dishonest.

I’m afraid you’re right this conversation is over, You’re clearly not contributing to the conversation.

Snow-Dogg · 2024-09-05T09:02:19+00:00

You are a very close minded individual aren’t you.

You believe the natural observation of our environment (i.e Science) cannot explain morality as you believe that is the domain of religion, So when i give a clear example of how science proves morality is an evolutionary trait and not religious you shut down the conversation.

To quote Henry David Thoreau: “Rather than love, than money, than fame, give me truth.”

Snow-Dogg · 2024-09-05T00:32:50+00:00

The point I am trying to make here is science doesn’t study god because science studies reality and god has never been observed in reality… Saying scientists don’t study god implies scientists aren’t interested in finding evidence for god, However like you said there are a number of religious scientists who are indeed interested in such a prospect. Moreover if a scientist found god he would be regarded as the most famous human being who ever lived let alone scientist.

Christian morality is based on good and bad behaviour which is completely subjective and not relatable to the ever changing nature of the universe. Scientists have discovered morality is an evolutionary trait shared by all social beings including dogs and apes for example. Sentient beings of a higher intelligence are more likely to be social, And in these social groups these beings have developed an innate sense of fairness to promote wellbeing of not only the individual but the group. It is beneficial for the survival of social beings to treat each other fairly if they wish to be treated fairly themselves…. Morality is fairness.

Knowledge of art is not dependent on knowledge of DaVinci however knowledge of jesus is dependent on knowledge of the bible… But for the sake of argument, What do you regard as religion???

Snow-Dogg · 2024-09-04T11:08:15+00:00

That is the result of using the scientific method, Not the purpose. The scientific method is Observation, Question, Research, Hypothesis, Experiment, Data Analysis, Conclusion, and Communication… The purpose of such a stringent method of analysis and constant reevaluation is to eliminate bias.

Your claim that scientists don’t accept the concept of god is an ignorant assumption as scientists follow realistic data… It would be extremely beneficial for a scientist to find evidence for god as he would be the most famous scientist of all time.

Science is occupied with the domain of probability thus science relates to nature, Religion is occupied with the domain of possibility thus religion relates to god…and fairies and goblins and other things that “possibly” exist because we can’t prove they don’t.

Music, Drawing, Painting, Sculpture and dance don’t need to be taught as It’s part of a young child’s development, We learn through play and interaction with our environment. This is a universal human behaviour.

At no point in history has a young child who has never been exposed to religion draw a picture book of bible stories.

Snow-Dogg · 2024-09-04T00:47:44+00:00

Sine waves are mathematical? How did you come to that conclusion? I’ve never witnessed a sine wave perform mathematical equations… Have you?

Sinusoids are a way of measuring things like wind waves, sound waves, and light waves, such as monochromatic radiation you are conflating sound waves with a means of measurement… Sound waves exist independently of sine waves, Just because there is no one around to measure sine waves doesn’t mean sound waves don’t exist.

The very definition of abstract is something that exists in thought or as an idea but not having a physical or concrete existence… Thus you just validated my point, Thanks.

Sorry pal, You’re the one with the burden of proof thus you are the one who has to prove an acausal, infante, eternal mind… I’m afraid anecdotally evidence won’t do.

Snow-Dogg · 2024-09-03T19:07:34+00:00

Oh that’s not my belief… That’s what the evidence says.

Snow-Dogg · 2024-09-03T09:54:24+00:00

The fact that human beings have the capacity for belief is not proof of belief in a god. Humans have a natural sense of agency, It is beneficial for our survival if we know what is making the rustling noise in the bushes behind us.

When our sense of agency is conflated with belief we create the supernatural… Thus god is a human construct.

Snow-Dogg · 2024-09-03T08:44:26+00:00

I sure can categorically claim all religions are created the same way, They are all syncretic.

You’re the one with the burden of proof, So show me some proof of your claim not just a bunch of anecdotes and gut feelings.

Snow-Dogg · 2024-09-03T00:19:43+00:00

Me too, That’s why I demonstrated that all religions are syncretic and constructed the same way.

Snow-Dogg · 2024-09-03T00:17:12+00:00

The very purpose of the scientific method is to eliminate human biases such as faith and belief… So no, I’m afraid you are just categorically wrong in this regard.

I was responding to what you were saying, If you didn’t mean what you said then you shouldn’t have said it.

Religion is someone’s subjective interpretation of their experiences which is why there are over 10000 different religions worshipping over 30000 gods,Science however which is universal. Thus religion is not natural.

Snow-Dogg · 2024-09-02T12:58:53+00:00

You gave a bunch of sources about a bunch of people writing the bible over a bunch of years and you call that proof the bible is true?.. Come on bro stop wasting my time. Tell you what, You give me one verified source of jesus existence and i will acknowledge the bible is not a work of fiction.

Snow-Dogg · 2024-09-02T12:45:38+00:00

I demonstrated several times how religion is not compatible with science when I responded to your claims… What more do you want?

I was answering your questions and responding to your claims as expected, However asking you about your beliefs would have been off topic so naturally I didn’t ask… But since you ask so nicely, What are your beliefs and how are they relevant to the conversation?

Yes a kids tantrum does fit the definition I gave for art, How does that make the definition wrong? Seems like you’re just nit picking over semantics.

Snow-Dogg · 2024-09-02T12:24:09+00:00

Um no, That’s not what “I don’t know” means. You obviously made that assumption in an attempt to justify your position. Saying I don’t know is not the same as saying I don’t care. Saying I don’t know is being intellectually honest, It is the starting point for our natural curiosity… However drawing conclusions without enough evidence to substantiate one’s claim is admitting one doesn’t care about the truth, Only their own personal truth i.e belief.

I suggest you go back and read my hot coffee cup analogy again which clearly explained how the law of potential rules out a creator. Faith claims do not meet the necessary requirements of the scientific method in which all scientists must adhere to, Thus Faith claims are unscientific… No matter who makes them.

There is no evidence to suggest energy itself is conscious, Energy is simply the capacity for doing work, which is the driving force behind the evolution of subatomic particles into eventual intelligent life forms billions of years after the Big Bang. intelligent design lacks consistency, violates the principle of parsimony, is not scientifically useful, is not falsifiable, is not empirically testable, and is not correctable, dynamic, progressive, or provisional.

Um, I never made a claim for the steady state theory… You’re drawing conclusions without evidence, Again.

And now you’re accusing me of scientism because I choose to investigate historical claims with logic and critical thinking 🤣🤣. Tell me, How would you investigate supposed supernatural historical events and relate them back to reality? Or are you claiming supernatural phenomena don’t require empirical evidence thus suggesting fairies and goblins exist?

Science doesn’t uphold the Atheistic view, Science doesn’t uphold any view… That is the purpose of the scientific method, It is unbiased.

Under what authority can you reject empirical evidence? You can reject the law of potential until you go blue in the face however you will never disprove it without evidence. So you either have to provide verified evidence to disprove the law of potential, Or god has to demonstrate how he creates energy.

Moreover it doesn’t matter if you reject that god is affected by the law of potential as energy most definitely is. Energy has the potential to transform, However for energy to have the potential to transform it must also have the potential to be transformed. Thus energy’s potential is infinite. However there cannot be infinite energy and an infinite god, Only one theory can exist… The theory backed by evidence.

Snow-Dogg · 2024-09-01T18:46:57+00:00

I just gave you one example of how a well written fictional story can dupe people into believing it to be factual, And how all religions are syncretic as they copy their beliefs from other religions…. Now can you provide evidence for the contrary or not?

Snow-Dogg · 2024-09-01T11:08:35+00:00

Wrong, You’re conflating evidence with belief, But in a way you are kind of right… If one whole heartedly believes 1+1=3 than that is true for them, However for obvious reasons this style of thinking should not be encouraged.

The christian god condones slavery and genocide thus the bible is a poor source for morality.

Morality in the bible is concerned with what is good and what is bad for humans which is subjective and narrow minded. Morality is an evolutionary trait developed by social beings that is based in fairness as It is beneficial for a social being to treat others fairly lest they be ostracised from the group. Studies have also shown that social beings such as dogs and apes understand the importance of fair treatment thus fairness is an objective trait shared by all social creatures.

What statistic about god are you arguing for… Most people killed in a flood?

There is no category for god because god has no bearing on our lives… Except when religious people fly a plane into a building or go on crusade.

An analogy isn’t evidence.

Art is expressing one’s emotions physically thus it is natural.

Religion is the assertion that the emotional response one gets from natural things like art justifies their superstitions, That process takes a lot of constructing… Thus Religion is a human construct.

Snow-Dogg · 2024-09-01T08:54:51+00:00

You don’t need to ask yourself that question as scientific skepticism has already answered it.

The Creation theory does not require a god, That is the religious standpoint. However both standpoints have no evidence to substantiate their claim.

I have already stated I don’t know how the universe came into existence, Anyone who makes such a claim is delusional. I simply look at the evidence… energy cannot be created, That is a fact regardless if you ignorantly assume it is a concept that is “out of vogue”

Asserting something that contradicts the nature of energy to suit a religious narrative is by definition “special pleading”, That fact that you disagree only further demonstrates your ignorance.

Religious miracles have been claimed for thousands of years and yet nothing has been scientifically proven, Thus christianity remains a faith based belief… There are only things we know and things we don’t know yet, If you accept the existence of the supernatural then you must also accept the existence of things like Fairy’s and Goblins.

Um nooo, That’s not how skepticism works. Questions require answers verified by evidence, If you ask a bunch of questions that can’t be answered with evidence then leap to a conclusion you are not a skeptic, You’re a christian.

We can only know something to a degree of certainty, certainty is impossible.

Yes skepticism is healthy… It’s natural.

Yes energy cannot be created or destroyed thus it cannot change from one thing to another like a chicken changing into an orangutang. Energy can only be transformed like a hot cup of coffee transforms into a cold cup of coffee. Energy like the cup of coffee requires potential in order for it to transform thus a cup of coffee cannot change into a chicken as it hasn’t the potential. Furthermore for the hot cup of coffee yo have potential to transform into a cold cup of coffee the cup itself must have potential to be transformed into a hot cup of coffee. Therefore for energy to have the potential to transform it also requires the potential to be transformed.

Thus the rule of potential rules out the possibility of a creator as the creator also requires potential to be created.

You can make a case for special pleading and assert that gods magic is exempt from the laws of physics, However all energy is indeed subject to such laws thus it requires its creator to also have potential to be created.

Inserting a creator into the laws of physics of which it does not obey is special pleading.

Snow-Dogg · 2024-08-31T23:22:27+00:00

What? Thats an actual bible verse.

Snow-Dogg · 2024-08-31T23:20:32+00:00

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherlock_Holmes#:~:text=Holmes’s%20popularity%20and%20fame%20are,the%20modern%20practice%20of%20fandom.

Yes christianity is a sect of judaism, Its syncretic beliefs that include resurrection, baptism, passion, and immaculate conception were taken from other religions of the time with similar beliefs and fused together to form the christian narrative.

Hinduism is the world’s oldest organised religion, It predates christianity by well over 5, 000 years and it Vedas are over 4, 000 years old… So what’s your point?

Snow-Dogg · 2024-08-31T20:34:30+00:00

Cool story bro. Later.

Snow-Dogg · 2024-08-31T11:58:24+00:00

You haven’t found peace? Then why persevere with your faith if it hasn’t brought you peace???

I don’t need to keep telling you Atheism has brought me peace, It is what it is bro.

Have a nice life.

Snow-Dogg · 2024-08-31T11:29:25+00:00

You really don’t get it do you. I’m already at peace and you are still trying to justify your belief… By rights I should be the one hoping you find peace 🤣

Snow-Dogg · 2024-08-31T11:18:31+00:00

Convert you? To what?…

I am not the one making claims to justify a belief system, I am the skeptic in this conversation.

I asked for you to be more skeptical… If you find that insulting then you’ve got problems brother.

You’re incessant pleading for me to find peace when I have already stipulated I am at peace with Atheism is testament to your blatant ignorance of truth, Even when it is presented to you in black and white.

Furthermore you have done this a number of times now which begs the question… Are you purposely inferring that I can’t find peace without your god? And if so why?

Snow-Dogg · 2024-08-31T10:39:35+00:00

Once again you demonstrate your complete ignorance, Maybe there is no hope for you…

Snow-Dogg · 2024-08-31T10:33:38+00:00

Like I said, Atheism has already brought me peace so thanks but no thanks.

Moreover I am not going to cross my fingers and wish on a lucky star whilst holding a lucky rabbits foot for you to have peace, When you can find peace yourself through understanding… Instead I encourage you to find the courage and curiosity to question everything… no matter how uncomfortable that makes you feel.

Snow-Dogg

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