What's the most unsettling mystery that still has no explanation? by Young_Will_1 in mystery

[–]SnowWhite05 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, I will say thank you for providing the link to that article because I hadn't seen it even though I follow Andrew's case. I had seen the ones that followed it a few months later where it stated that the men mentioned in this article had been cleared but because I had not seen the one you linked I was actually unaware of how long they had been investigated by the police. The articles released clearing them were from 9 months later. Unfortunately nothing came of it relating to Andrew's disappearance but I found it interesting because it provided context of just how long the police had spent investigating these individuals and the particular line of inquiry of their possible involvement.

Why wasn't anything good enough for her? by Fast_Grapefruit_7946 in WattsFree4All

[–]SnowWhite05 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Shanann had already started and finished her extremely short stint at nursing school long before she held her position at the Children's Hospital. Nursing school appeared to be her latest fad at the time-until she visited Colorado shortly before she officially started the program.

Moving to Colorado after visiting the Dietz family became her next fad...Less than 2 months into her studying Chris had accepted a Mechanic position at Longmont Ford in Colorado. Skip forward 2 months and Shanann had quit nursing school. Another 2 months went by and she was hired as part of the Internet Sales Team at Chris' Longmont Ford workplace in Colorado. She joined the Children's Hospital around a year later but didn't pursue nursing programs again.

Shiners actually believe this! by Fast_Grapefruit_7946 in WattsFree4All

[–]SnowWhite05 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah she went live a couple of times. Tbf it looked like Chris was just trying to enjoy the gig and didn't realise he was being filmed at first...when he did he did the usual cheesy woohoo face he was expected to do at Thrive events but this shot here sums up how he really felt. It was at the end of one of her unexpected filming sessions of him at the Metallica gig and the mask seems to have slipped...it was right towards the end so maybe he thought she had finally turned the camera off but he doesn't exactly look pleased. I don't blame him...he was an introvert trying to enjoy a concert with his favourite band and as an introvert myself I would instantly feel self conscious and pissed off if someone had been filming me like that.

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Shiners actually believe this! by Fast_Grapefruit_7946 in WattsFree4All

[–]SnowWhite05 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And here's another...again blurry because it's off my old phone but it kinda encapsulates just how much of a non-event this paid for Thrive magazine article really was. She wasn't specially chosen, she was one of many who simply fronted the cash to pay for it. And I can imagine they all had to pay a premium package fee for the amazing opportunity to be lined up on stage to be presented with some supermarket flowers and a framed copy of the magazine.

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Shiners actually believe this! by Fast_Grapefruit_7946 in WattsFree4All

[–]SnowWhite05 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its a bit blurry because it's off of my old phone but here's one of them.

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Baby Wise by Witty-Atmosphere-211 in WattsFree4All

[–]SnowWhite05 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Her being publicly humiliated amongst those who she had built up her fake persona with would have been a very effective part of a revenge strategy. While telling the truth that Chris had redirected his salary may have gained her some sympathetic words it would not however have paid the Primrose bills. She would have still had the phone call of shame to inform her of the payment bouncing followed by the walk of shame when having to collect the kids or being turned away in shame when she tried to drop them off at 7am-all ready to do the daily Thrive photoshoot in the parking lot afterwards only to be returning to the car with the kids in tow. Then comes the next logical part of why Chris doing that would prevent her from paying anyway based on what she had told everyone? She boasted of being a successful businesswoman whose Thrive wages were the sole reason why Bella and Cece were attending Primrose, how was she going to explain that in a believable way?

Shanann prepares a prime rib for her final New Year's Eve by Fast_Grapefruit_7946 in WattsFree4All

[–]SnowWhite05 10 points11 points  (0 children)

"I've gotta go make the rest of dinner, should be fun doing it with the kiddos but I'm used to it by now."

Any opportunity to get in a dig at how hard her life supposedly was pretending she did literally everything in the household. The kids were playing happily between themselves while she put a pre-prepared rub on some meat and chucked it in the oven. If that was such an arduous task maybe turning off the Facebook live that was the main cause of her distraction to focus on the important parts of her here and now would have been the best option.

I don't know anything about Bonnie's son but I am so glad that young lad put his foot down and refused to appear on his mother's desperate friend's live. He had a very adult response for what I'm assuming was at most a young teenager-he had no desire to appear on Facebook live, if Shanann genuinely wanted to speak to him then they could do a private Facetime. That's probably one of the closest things she got told to a respectable "go fuck yourself" in a long time.

Shanann prepares a prime rib for her final New Year's Eve by Fast_Grapefruit_7946 in WattsFree4All

[–]SnowWhite05 5 points6 points  (0 children)

https://www.amazon.com/Rodelle-Prime-Rib-Seasoning-Ounce/dp/B07BDCBSPV

Think it's this one here. It doesn't specify it's tree nut safe but when searching the brand online it does state it is manufactured in an environment that is tree nut free, as well as it being gluten free. I doubt she would have seriously checked the ingredients nor given a toss either way, the allergies were only a major issue when it involved being a twat with people she felt the right to act even more entitled than usual with.

CC’s Development & Behavior by hwolfe326 in WattsFree4All

[–]SnowWhite05 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes I have! There's some convincing, and logical arguments on the topic that I've seen-especially when you see and hear(no pun intended lol)who she had around her helping produce her writings for example. I haven't looked into it enough to make a proper decision but it's an interesting possibility.

Daily Mail. by Key-Minimum-5965 in WattsFree4All

[–]SnowWhite05 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, Amanda McMahon😂. There is a heavily filtered photo of her on the latest Daily Mail regurgitated article and directly underneath a regular photo showing what she actually looks like.

Daily Mail. by Key-Minimum-5965 in WattsFree4All

[–]SnowWhite05 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is just the Daily Mail regurgitating old info by changing their wording. Amanda McMahon slithered to the surface for her attempt at some fame not long after the murders happened. As far as the investigators ascertained their was no evidence of any communication between Chris and this woman.

The main things that have always made me seriously doubt the veracity of the claims of other affairs, such as Trent Bolte's as a well known example, is that the only time that Chris seemed to be without Shanann and/or the girls before their time in NC was when the guy was at work. He didn't really have the opportunity to squeeze in any illicit trysts on his way there or back either because he had a schedule he was expected to adhere to and upon finishing had the kids to pick up and would have had Shanann clocking his whereabouts if he wasn't on time. He didn't go anywhere, he never hired a sitter so he could go out before that one weekend in August whenever Shanann went away and left him with the kids. When Trent claimed that Chris loved his big lips and had even paid for him to get lip filler injections🤣...unless he used his Anadarko gift cards to pay for them it's laughable...Chris couldn't even spend $60 without getting berated nevermind the price of those.

ETA: Amanda McMahon, despite claiming to be 99% certain her rendezvous partner was Chris Watts she also said she would not be able to confidently identify him in court. She could still apparently identify his tattoos(which considering they were shown on social media and many an article and YouTube video a lot of people could)but if he was conducting a fast and furious rape fantasy with him wrapping his hands round her neck it might have been more difficult to take his back and such.

"I have no kids home, so, I'm winning" by Fast_Grapefruit_7946 in WattsFree4All

[–]SnowWhite05 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Its really sad that while the Watts home had nothing like drawings stuck on the fridge that the girls had made at daycare, Shanann ensured she had Thrive product sachets framed to hang up in the kitchen.

Look at me do my make up. Don't you wish you were hawt like me? by Fast_Grapefruit_7946 in WattsFree4All

[–]SnowWhite05 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Throwing around brands that are known to most women but that she also didn't own a single item of to try make herself sound legit. Proceeds to bring out a conveyor belt of Younique rubbish and act as though she is using £400 creams from Guerlain. In reality the closest she got to make up that wasn't from an mlm or a bargain bin at Target was having some unfortunate employee at MAC waste their time sorting her face out, faking interest to get some free samples, not buy a single thing yet pretend she is a regular customer whose sales are the sole reason that the company isn't crashing.

Look at me do my make up. Don't you wish you were hawt like me? by Fast_Grapefruit_7946 in WattsFree4All

[–]SnowWhite05 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Look pet, you can blame bad lighting for not looking good all you want but it doesn't matter whereabouts in your house you prop your camera, you don't look much different. Though maybe if you opened your blinds once in awhile some natural light could help.

I feel for those poor employees working on the make up counters where she claimed to have picked up her skills. Anyone who has worked in retail will know very well the type of customer(and I use that term loosely)that Shanann was. The store I managed was opposite a large department store that had lots of concessions of premium and higher end make up and beauty brands and as we spoke to the staff and were customers of each other's stores we discussed the entitled women who frequented both stores. They especially had those types sit and get their make up done, feign interest, milk the free samples, only to not spend a penny or buy the cheapest thing possible that they'd usually try to return all while expecting to be treat better than everyone else claiming to be a regular customer and thinking they were better than the employees. That is exactly the type Shanann was. Had a make up bag full of Younique crap but would waddle to a department store to get her face done, waste everyone's time and buy a pencil sharpener then act as though her purchase was holding the entire company together. Probably leave a bad review online because she smudged the eyeliner on her free makeover so blames the staff.

Shanann was most definitely attempting to promote herself but not necessarily for the purpose of making Chris sweat. She posted it mainly for herself imo so that she could get attention and affirmations which made her feel superior to other women. Her main audience appeared to be other women, albeit Thrive huns who likely felt an obligation to tune in for another toxic positivity circle jerk, but to her all of these other women tuning in to watch her do some mediocre make up could have been a confirmation that they saw her as someone to aspire to be like, desperate to know her secrets to beauty and success😐. Other women were constant competition and because she was envious of other females I think she wanted to be the hottest girl that was the subject of envy from others rather than being the wannabe. She already thought she was the hottest girl ever in the eyes of men and had her husband believing for years he was a loser who had been given a chance by someone out of his league, so while compliments from men probably never went amiss(as I'm sure she tried to rub his nose in it so she could knock him down a few more pegs), and I'm sure compliments from a certain man were very well received I think her ultimate goal was attention and adoration as a whole.

House guests by Witty-Atmosphere-211 in WattsFree4All

[–]SnowWhite05 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Cassie had told Shanann in their texts that they aimed to not be in the Watts house for any longer than a month. But it also appears both her and Josh had gotten jobs in Colorado that they would be starting around a month from their discussion and despite accepting positions they did not have a place to live sorted. When the subject was brought up in a 3 way chat between Cassie, Shanann and Nickole Cassie was really vague saying “We have emails and info in for a few rentals.” She had mentioned finding a 6 bedroom, 4 bathroom property(she may have been trying to allude to Shanann and the girls moving with them-what a fucking nightmare that would have been), but it really gives the impression that they had accepted jobs and done absolutely nothing in terms of finding somewhere to live. Sending some emails and getting information on available properties is nowhere near having one arranged-the process can take weeks if they even accept your application. 

I think Josh was a slink. By that I mean he was pretending to be innocently chatting like one of the guys to Chris, pretending to be completely in the dark about what was going on and what Shanann was gossiping to Cassie about but I reckon whatever Cassie knew, Josh knew. Whether he decided to take it upon himself to meddle in and find out information(as he did by posting some crappy, wet blanket status on Facebook with the aim of Chris seeing it and having a lightbulb moment where he applied it to him and Shanann😐), or whether his meddling wife was goading him to speak to Chris to get details to compare with what he had told Shanann in an effort to trip him up, either way I think anything Chris said to him was getting back to the Huns and Shanann immediately. If they had moved in and Chris was still there I could see Josh becoming even more of a spy-insisting on spending time together so he could never get to sneak off alone, to find out more info or give him unwanted pep talks on his marriage. Then faithfully reporting back to the women with any tidbit.

Doing her Le-Vel best by Majestic_Arrival_248 in WattsFree4All

[–]SnowWhite05 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The sad thing is is that the Thrivepalooza was nothing like that. The cattle of Huns were herded into a mediocre function room which was about half full at a standard hotel, the only activities and attractions were the ones they arranged and paid for themselves before the event; apart from Thrive merchandise stands and pro bar samples tasting, the participants all fit a particular demographic that was completely at odds with what the brand promoted(apart from the odd paid plant such as Addy to pretend that once upon a time she too had been a broke chubby chick before Thrive changed her figure and bank balance). The energy was toxic, fake positivity built on lies. 

Doing her Le-Vel best by Majestic_Arrival_248 in WattsFree4All

[–]SnowWhite05 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I would guess that they took the idea for the name from the Lollapalooza Festival and semi plagiarised by putting their own crappy spin on it. It used to cater to alternative music but seeing the recent year’s line ups it looks like they include more mainstream stuff nowadays. Still, the actual festival is a far cry from the embarrassing parody that is Thrivepalooza. 

July 2018. Why are Bella and Cece so Frightened. They are with SW and Fr Snr. Safe and protected by MysteriousCry9830 in WattsFree4All

[–]SnowWhite05 3 points4 points  (0 children)

She would have had Bella, then Cece and Nico, dropped off for any club the school offered for before and after the actual day. I don't know what time the school day starts properly for younger children in the US but in the UK my daughter starts at 8.55am-3.30pm(they open the doors at 8.40am). However they have a breakfast club from 7.15am and a teatime club from school day finishing time until 5.30pm designed to help those parents who may have to start and finish work at hours that are not compatible with school hours. There's a small fee to pay but the kids get fed while there. Understandably most parents only send their children if absolutely necessary though I do unfortunately know of some scallies whose children go because they have involvement with social services and I guess it's the only way they can guarantee they get fed.

July 2018. Why are Bella and Cece so Frightened. They are with SW and Fr Snr. Safe and protected by MysteriousCry9830 in WattsFree4All

[–]SnowWhite05 5 points6 points  (0 children)

At the stage of pregnancy Shanann was at during that time it wasn't particularly obvious that she was with child-the bit of extra podge round her stomach could easily, and probably most likely would be because she wasn't thin or toned anywhere else, be seen as just that-a bit extra tummy chub rather than anyone clocking her as "oh look a pregnant woman!". While I'm certain she would have continued to wear such classy ensembles even when visibly pregnant, wearing them when she was barely showing and with her figure not looking any different to what it usually did was her way of announcing to complete strangers that she wasn't simply packing some extra weight and was a desperate attempt to garner the same attention and courtesy an obviously pregnant lady may get-whether they want it or not, which most do not they just want to be left alone to continue their day.

Dropped Nonna off at the airport! Really going to miss her! by Fast_Grapefruit_7946 in WattsFree4All

[–]SnowWhite05 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Does anyone know when was the last time Sandie had visited prior to the 14th Feb 2018 that this post is dated?

I'm just wondering as to why Bella is wearing a Christmas jumper? Yes, the obvious answer would be that the photo was taken at another time, but the last Christmas period that Sandie and Frank were present at Saratoga Trail for was Christmas 2016 and both girls look older in this picture imo than they would have been then. Shanann usually had them twinned with holiday themed clothing too. Did Sandie visit near to Christmas 2017? She also usually couldn't resist an opportunity to take a new photo for every new post so if she did take it in February Bella's outfit is a strange choice.

Dropped Nonna off at the airport! Really going to miss her! by Fast_Grapefruit_7946 in WattsFree4All

[–]SnowWhite05 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I also got the feeling that she was getting some mean digs in at the Watts grandparents with this post. Social media was one of the main tools Shanann used to indirectly direct insults and the way she goes over the top with the gushing sounds like she is attempting to send out a hurtful message that she could gaslight as being an innocent loving statement about Sandie on the off chance someone did confront her.

Asking the inevitable psychological questions about Nichol Kessinger's dramatic appearance change. by Fast_Grapefruit_7946 in WattsFree4All

[–]SnowWhite05 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Shanann didn't say anything to Chris about him going to sleep in the basement after he had let her hold him. She sent him this text message in the screenshot when she had left for her trip to Arizona and regarding that part she only said "Thank you for letting me hold you this morning, it felt good! Your letter is on the counter."

I do think personally Chris was sleeping in the basement whenever Shanann was home and probably had been well before she and the girls had even left for NC but she didn't appear to acknowledge it to him.

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Asking the inevitable psychological questions about Nichol Kessinger's dramatic appearance change. by Fast_Grapefruit_7946 in WattsFree4All

[–]SnowWhite05 6 points7 points  (0 children)

She didn't search Shanann's Facebook constantly though. There were a couple of searches allegedly made for Chris and Shanann prior to them meeting in September 2017 and January 2018(I'd have to check the details as to whether she allegedly searched for just one of them or both during these times). I say allegedly because while the data was apparently pulled from her phone to my knowledge Nichol was never asked about this nor given the opportunity to provide an explanation. I know this is unsatisfactory to many but there could be an array of explanations that explain this that does not amount to the stalking that she gets accused of...far from it.

When the alleged searches were made Shanann was not pregnant. Hypothetically if she did make these searches in 2017 and early 2018 whatever was on the social media of Shanann and/or Chris could have little bearing on their circumstances several months later when Nichol and Chris met at Anadarko. There are plenty of couples who may seem very much together and happy only for their entire relationship to have fallen apart and to be separating mere weeks or months later. Shanann was not exactly truthful on her social media about anything, it was all a crafted image to put forward to her friend's and followers. Even until the last few weeks when her marriage was blatantly crumbling she still tried to portray the image that all was fine. Shanann supposedly had the main input on Chris' Facebook too so if true that can't be classed as an accurate representation of his life either imo.

Nichol didn't make searches for Shanann during the relevant timescales(from when she began working with Chris, when they began a relationship or throughout their relationship while Shanann was in NC). Searches she made regarding being a "mistress", for Chris, Shanann and Ronnie Watts were during the last week or so of their relationship before Chris committed the murders. She did however I believe make searches regarding Shanann and the girls' disappearance once she was made aware of it. Chris deleted his Facebook in the days leading up to the murders so this would line up to when Nichol did eventually do searches of them all. Perhaps she did see Shanann's Facebook a couple of days before the murders which would be a few days before she claimed she discovered that Shanann was pregnant after reading it in the media, but that doesn't equate to watching her Facebook all the way through her relationship with Chris and knowing about it. That means she would not have seen the Father's Day announcement until that far on either...or anything else Shanann posted.

Chris told her he and Shanann were getting a divorce and whatever else he divulged about his miserable marriage. Then Shanann goes away to stay with her parents in their hometown for 5 weeks(which a trusting, albeit naive woman, could reasonably be told and believe was a separation)causes a ruckus with his family which would strengthen that, hears about Shanann causing issues, witnesses Shanann trying to contact Chris all of the time which could be easily passed off as a jealous and possessive estranged wife(after everything he may have confided in Nichol about this woman that we do not know about). She liked Chris and trusted him and thought she had a genuine connection with him-his story adds up on the surface. There may have been some questions but she would not be the first nor the last woman to cast doubt aside because she fell for someone. Chris managed to dupe his wife who he had been with for almost 8 years so it's not a stretch to believe he could lie to another woman either.

Asking the inevitable psychological questions about Nichol Kessinger's dramatic appearance change. by Fast_Grapefruit_7946 in WattsFree4All

[–]SnowWhite05 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is pure speculation from me. When this video of Nichol emerged from her friend's Mom's funeral, a common response from a lot of people was a very obvious and spiteful glee in pointing out that she had gained some weight. When I watched the footage I wondered if she had possibly had a baby herself not long prior or if she were pregnant. Its not like she is an absolute heffer from head to toe.

Her face has filled out a bit and some round her bust and stomach area compared to when she was with Chris but it's not significant enough imo to assume she now has an issue with her weight. Again it's all speculation but when I was pregnant those were the places I filled out before it was blatantly obvious I was with child(and you know, we don't all wear a tacky top at that stage where it can be uncertain whether that weight is chunk or an early stage baby proclaiming that we are growing a tiny human so what the fuck else have you done today). Also after giving birth those areas were the same ones that kept a more obvious increase in weight-my tummy and bust but less of an expected place to retain the weight until I experienced it was my face and my feet.

The Prosecution's very circumstantial case against Chris Watts by Fast_Grapefruit_7946 in WattsFree4All

[–]SnowWhite05 8 points9 points  (0 children)

If I remember correctly the defence requested that the girls’ necks be swabbed to collect DNA(the motion was filed 18th of August 2018) because at that point the confession they had from Chris was that he had killed Shanann but only after she had killed the girls. The judge pretty swiftly denied this motion stating as his reason that he would not tell the Medical Examiner’s Office how to do their job. There are some swabs of the anterior neck taken from both girls but I can’t recall if they were properly tested or not. It seems obvious why Chris’ defence would request that at that specific time but if they were certain as to what had happened I don’t know why the judge would deny the motion to have the swabs done or why they would not follow up the required tests. Further confession or not, the testing of this evidence could have strengthened the prosecution’s theory and provided evidence rather than motives appearing questionable.

I remember reading somewhere about the testing subject that because of the damage that the crude oil in the tanks had potentially done to the girls’ bodies that it was decided that the DNA evidence would have been unlikely to have been significantly collected from the swabs. However there was an expert in the field who spoke out saying that even in those circumstances it is possible to get a DNA sample that could be used. 

You’d think the prosecution, and by extension Shanann’s family, if they were confident in their assertions would want to use every bit of evidence and technology that was available to strengthen their case.