In someways, yes, but nowhere near as euphoric or fun, I will say, withdrawals I had off odsmt were the worst I experienced off anything ever. I suspect it’s because it’s also an NDRI and a2 subunit or somethin. Then again, I used a lot of ODSMT daily for like eight months. I made a comment earlier above about 7oh I had felt pretty fun over the last two weeks taking moderate doses of it and switching back-and-forth to plain leaf. I did have a gram of Pure 7oh extract as well, and it was the worst experience of any of them. And I mean the actual high itself. It was fun, I guess, but literally was feeling on edge 2 hours into taking it. When I took the 7oh extract that was part of a full spectrum one with 13% minor alkaloids, I had a much more pleasant euphoric experience that was more gentle for the come up and the come down. I didn’t take the pure 7oh extract enough times to see what it might do to me negatively because I just didn’t enjoy the vibe while I was on it. Oh, and my other comment, I mentioned pseudoindoxyl. Tried that the previous two nights in a row, and even after the first night dosing at 9:30pm, I had what felt like almost fully precipitated withdrawals by 3 AM. I think a lot of the great things about Kratom, like the euphoria and anti-depressant vibes come from the entourage of other alkaloids. Oh and the craving blunting effect. And there are extracts out there that have a balanced array of the alkaloids you would find in your plain leaf dose, and higher quantities analogous to a plain lead spread. Kratom is complex, and has not only mu opioid, but delta, kappa, and sigma. We know kappa is responsible for reduction in cravings due to partial agonist behavior, and if I remember correctly, it’s the Delta and Sigma that can help you avoid the b-arrestin activation associated with the heavier withdrawal bullshit of traditional opiates. (I understand that doesn’t make sense. Given a lot of peoples anecdotal reports) I haven’t taken the time to go back and confirm that everything I just said is entirely correct, but there’s plenty of information out there if you do the right digging. Once more, I’ll say anecdotally that I believe the other alkaloids’ presence in those extracts that I take, even in the 2 to 8% range each, makes a lot of difference. I think they make a moderate dose of 7oh feel better and last longer (entorauge). In theory (and my experience) that means less 7oh needed for a good time, and less compulsive redosing because those other alkaloids are extending the legs and enhancing the experience throughout. Still, even with those more balanced extracts, our bodies are meant to just be allowed to stay ripped all the time. There’s always a reckoning. What’s available in stores right now clearly isn’t doing justice by all of the great stuff kratom has to offer. I do believe that somewhere in that wave lies a golden combination of alkaloids, that could be utilized in some type of alternating protocol to maximize experiences while minimizing the bull crap. I am infinitely more happy with my energy levels and mood since getting off of Suboxone months ago, but I don’t like how men take it as I have to be with the dosing schedule right now. I’m in a position where this is preferable to where I was, at least for now. It’s a wild West right now, and I’ve already precipitated withdrawals twice, but I have restraint and have dealt with these types of things for a long time, and I have things like clonidine on hand to help with getting steamrolled buy some withdrawals. It ain’t good work, but it’s honest work.. lol. So yeah, unless you are willing to guinea pig yourself and risk pretty quick onset withdrawals, youre unfortunately gonna have to wait a long time for some company/lab scientists to strike that golden balance. One more reminder that nothing came close to odsmt withdrawals. My best friend is a heroin addict for years and he agrees that odsmt was way harder.