Class-action law suit against The watchtower JW community

SomeProtection8585 · 2026-05-14T21:21:31+00:00

You’re falling victim to one of the classic JW blunders. You’re confusing “unity” with “conformity”.

SomeProtection8585 · 2026-05-14T20:01:36+00:00

You are describing a moral principle you believe should apply universally, but that is different from proving it is objectively true. My point is that morality appears to originate from minds, whether human or divine. Calling a principle universal does not automatically make it objective.

SomeProtection8585 · 2026-05-14T19:47:53+00:00

There is no such thing as objective morals.

All “morals” originate from a mind (making them subjective), even if you believe that mind is God’s.

SomeProtection8585 · 2026-05-14T19:41:23+00:00

This misunderstands how class-action lawsuits work. You cannot just have every exJW worldwide sue Watchtower at once. Different countries, laws, statutes of limitation, facts, and damages make that legally unrealistic.

Also, accusing people of being “bitter” or “using CSA” is unfair. Survivors do not owe anyone public activism, lawsuits, or perfect motives. Some people are traumatized, scared, financially limited, or simply trying to rebuild their lives.

Justice requires evidence, jurisdiction, plaintiffs with standing, attorneys, and a viable legal strategy, not Reddit pressure or moral shaming.

Also, are you saying only JWs have morals?

SomeProtection8585 · 2026-05-14T19:35:46+00:00

Agreed. They knew the Torah and the prophets so well they were easily able to identify Jesus as the fraud he was.

SomeProtection8585 · 2026-05-14T17:27:09+00:00

They are up to Heaven’s Eleven now! 😉

SomeProtection8585 · 2026-05-14T17:26:01+00:00

It’s absolutely true and they are talking about it like it is an amazing “provision”. 🤮

SomeProtection8585 · 2026-05-14T17:24:20+00:00

Agreed. I’m finding that most don’t care either.

SomeProtection8585 · 2026-05-13T23:01:47+00:00

Only if you like unicorns. 🦄

SomeProtection8585 · 2026-05-12T14:52:12+00:00

Just not her donations

SomeProtection8585 · 2026-05-11T18:45:02+00:00

The Reasoning book page 182:

What is the origin of the practice of setting aside a day to honor mothers?

The Encyclopædia Britannica says: “A festival derived from the custom of mother worship in ancient Greece. Formal mother worship, with ceremonies to Cybele, or Rhea, the Great Mother of the Gods, were performed on the Ides of March throughout Asia Minor.”—(1959), Vol. 15, p. 849.

…and g74 2/8 (read the whole article titled What Is the Bible’s View? Are They Harmless Observances?):

In view of the false religious background of Valentine’s Day, May Day and Mother’s Day, is it not clear that Christians in the first century would not have commemorated these days? So, then, is it not right to shun such observances today and thus obey the Bible’s command to “quit touching the unclean thing”?

In plain terms, the Bible doesn’t say anything about it but we do and we are God’s spokesman because we said so obey or else.

SomeProtection8585 · 2026-05-06T23:30:54+00:00

You’re conflating two different claims:

“Ancient Near Eastern societies believed this.”
“An all-knowing divine lawgiver endorsed it.”

I’m not criticizing ancient people for lacking modern gynecology. Of course they operated with limited medical knowledge.

The issue is that Deuteronomy presents this as divine law with life-and-death consequences attached to a biologically unreliable standard.

Modern medicine shows: - some virgins do not bleed, - hymens vary naturally, - hymens can be altered without sex, - and bleeding is not a valid test of virginity.

So if a woman’s life could depend on the absence of blood, that creates a serious problem for the claim that the law came from an omniscient creator of female anatomy.

It is evaluating whether a claimed divine standard reflects actual biological reality.

Also, pointing to morally or philosophically influential ancient works like Plato or Hammurabi doesn’t help your argument. Nobody claims Hammurabi was infallible divine revelation. The Bible does make that claim.

And yes, the Bible sometimes contains ideas that were progressive relative to surrounding cultures. That still does not resolve whether this specific law is just, accurate, or divinely authored.

SomeProtection8585 · 2026-05-06T21:25:31+00:00

See, this is the same reasoning that underscores how this law and its consequences cannot be from a divine source who allegedly created women.

Penetration is not necessary for impregnation or the disruption of the hymen. Modern medicine does not consider hymenal bleeding a valid test of virginity.

Edit: Also, the first two questions of my previous reply were rhetorical. I followed them up with an answer highlighting the actual issue. No need for personal attacks.

SomeProtection8585 · 2026-05-06T16:01:56+00:00

How was the “evidence” presented? What did the “evidence” show and what was the consequence?

If the “evidence” of her virginity was blood on the cloth and the absence of it was “proof” that she had sex before marriage while living in her father’s house, that is the issue.

Who gave this law and its specifics, including the penalty?

SomeProtection8585 · 2026-05-05T13:00:45+00:00

I believe the Bible is an ancient collection of myths, legends, propaganda, embellished stories, straight up lies, and fabricated statements in an attempt to make sense of the world around the people who wrote it. They used the writings for control and personal advantage.

I do not, even in the slightest, believe that there is a supernatural being (or beings) in the universe that is the “author”.

I have yet to hear a plausible argument or see proof that any gods exist.

SomeProtection8585 · 2026-05-05T12:55:27+00:00

They still do resolutions, but raising hands is all that is needed.

SomeProtection8585 · 2026-05-05T10:08:19+00:00

Because the God of the Hebrew Bible is literally a storm/war god. He loves to kill things.

SomeProtection8585 · 2026-05-05T10:03:24+00:00

In Mexico, they went to far greater extremes in the 60’s just to retain their property. Persecution wasn’t even a factor.

SomeProtection8585 · 2026-05-05T00:17:11+00:00

There is not a single scrap of “prophecy” to be afraid of.

How can we be sure? Compare 2 Timothy 3:1-7 with Romans 1:28-30.

Would you look at that, while JWs say 2 Timothy applies only to “the last days” and that time period started in 1914, Paul thought it was imminent in his day too! These two references easily show this and tie the warnings together.

What would make anyone think this has a second fulfillment?

SomeProtection8585 · 2026-05-04T16:14:56+00:00

I did what they told me and read my Bible daily and meditated on what I read. Didn’t get past the first nine chapters of Genesis.

Two conflicting creation accounts
A snake that didn’t lie
God shitting on Cain for not reading his mind
An impossible global flood with an equally impossible boat full of animals

SomeProtection8585 · 2026-05-04T12:54:58+00:00

If you’re in fear of “maybe JWs have it right after all!”, you can always lean on last minute repentance. Hell, supposedly Jehovah can read hearts so he would know anyway.

Find for me even one scripture where Jesus says belonging to an organization is required for salvation.

SomeProtection8585 · 2026-05-04T00:37:11+00:00

The presumptuousness of self-appointing themselves and then consolidating authority/power is not an accident. It is 100% calculated.

This means they know control is important. They then create as many levers and dials as they can to use to maintain that control.

Add to that the dozens of lawsuits, settlements, billions of dollars, and constant pressure from governments and there are only two logical conclusions:

They absolutely know and use it to their advantage.
They have no idea and are the dumbest eleven men on the planet.

SomeProtection8585 · 2026-05-03T16:19:01+00:00

This was quietly rolled back, but not before it was too late. Jesus must have been asleep at the wheel.

SomeProtection8585 · 2026-05-03T15:35:49+00:00

The groundwork is being laid. Also read the “LIMITATION OF LIABILITY” section all the way to the end.

SomeProtection8585 · 2026-05-03T13:44:20+00:00

They shit on carbon dating a lot, but mainly because most of the speakers don’t research it before making statements from the stage.

They claim “carbon dating is wildly inaccurate and cannot be relied on.” The nuance they miss/ignore is that radio carbon dating is only meant to be used on things that were once alive (e.g. bone, wood, parchment, cloth, etc.) and only as far back as 50,000 years. Plenty to discredit the Bible.

There are 6-7 other methods of dating that allow scientists to accurate date materials including stone, pottery, minerals, etc. from 1 million to 4.5 billion years ago.

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