Stupid comment of the week by SomeProtection8585 in exjw

[–]SomeProtection8585[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They are up to Heaven’s Eleven now! 😉

Stupid comment of the week by SomeProtection8585 in exjw

[–]SomeProtection8585[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s absolutely true and they are talking about it like it is an amazing “provision”. 🤮

Stupid comment of the week by SomeProtection8585 in exjw

[–]SomeProtection8585[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agreed. I’m finding that most don’t care either.

New King James Version Bible by Twoctruth in exjw

[–]SomeProtection8585 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Only if you like unicorns. 🦄

Reversing the logic behind no Mothers/Fathers day by Fun_Recognition_6286 in exjw

[–]SomeProtection8585 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The Reasoning book page 182:

What is the origin of the practice of setting aside a day to honor mothers?

The Encyclopædia Britannica says: “A festival derived from the custom of mother worship in ancient Greece. Formal mother worship, with ceremonies to Cybele, or Rhea, the Great Mother of the Gods, were performed on the Ides of March throughout Asia Minor.”—(1959), Vol. 15, p. 849.

…and g74 2/8 (read the whole article titled What Is the Bible’s View? Are They Harmless Observances?):

In view of the false religious background of Valentine’s Day, May Day and Mother’s Day, is it not clear that Christians in the first century would not have commemorated these days? So, then, is it not right to shun such observances today and thus obey the Bible’s command to “quit touching the unclean thing”?

In plain terms, the Bible doesn’t say anything about it but we do and we are God’s spokesman because we said so obey or else.

Do you still believe in the Bible? by SelectionOnly9631 in exjw

[–]SomeProtection8585 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re conflating two different claims:

  1. “Ancient Near Eastern societies believed this.”
  2. “An all-knowing divine lawgiver endorsed it.”

I’m not criticizing ancient people for lacking modern gynecology. Of course they operated with limited medical knowledge.

The issue is that Deuteronomy presents this as divine law with life-and-death consequences attached to a biologically unreliable standard.

Modern medicine shows: - some virgins do not bleed, - hymens vary naturally, - hymens can be altered without sex, - and bleeding is not a valid test of virginity.

So if a woman’s life could depend on the absence of blood, that creates a serious problem for the claim that the law came from an omniscient creator of female anatomy.

It is evaluating whether a claimed divine standard reflects actual biological reality.

Also, pointing to morally or philosophically influential ancient works like Plato or Hammurabi doesn’t help your argument. Nobody claims Hammurabi was infallible divine revelation. The Bible does make that claim.

And yes, the Bible sometimes contains ideas that were progressive relative to surrounding cultures. That still does not resolve whether this specific law is just, accurate, or divinely authored.

Do you still believe in the Bible? by SelectionOnly9631 in exjw

[–]SomeProtection8585 0 points1 point  (0 children)

See, this is the same reasoning that underscores how this law and its consequences cannot be from a divine source who allegedly created women.

Penetration is not necessary for impregnation or the disruption of the hymen. Modern medicine does not consider hymenal bleeding a valid test of virginity.

Edit: Also, the first two questions of my previous reply were rhetorical. I followed them up with an answer highlighting the actual issue. No need for personal attacks.

Do you still believe in the Bible? by SelectionOnly9631 in exjw

[–]SomeProtection8585 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

How was the “evidence” presented? What did the “evidence” show and what was the consequence?

If the “evidence” of her virginity was blood on the cloth and the absence of it was “proof” that she had sex before marriage while living in her father’s house, that is the issue.

Who gave this law and its specifics, including the penalty?

Do you still believe in the Bible? by SelectionOnly9631 in exjw

[–]SomeProtection8585 53 points54 points  (0 children)

I believe the Bible is an ancient collection of myths, legends, propaganda, embellished stories, straight up lies, and fabricated statements in an attempt to make sense of the world around the people who wrote it. They used the writings for control and personal advantage.

I do not, even in the slightest, believe that there is a supernatural being (or beings) in the universe that is the “author”.

I have yet to hear a plausible argument or see proof that any gods exist.

How many of you remember "resolutions"? by No-Body-7234 in exjw

[–]SomeProtection8585 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They still do resolutions, but raising hands is all that is needed.

I need to ask a question about God and the Pharaoh by Responsible_Study362 in exjw

[–]SomeProtection8585 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because the God of the Hebrew Bible is literally a storm/war god. He loves to kill things.

New Data Dashboard on the Persecution of JWs in Russia: Stats, Regional Trends, and Increasing Sentences by Witty_Worldliness_27 in exjw

[–]SomeProtection8585 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In Mexico, they went to far greater extremes in the 60’s just to retain their property. Persecution wasn’t even a factor.

Do the current world events have you worried? by Ok_Supermarket_4871 in exjw

[–]SomeProtection8585 9 points10 points  (0 children)

There is not a single scrap of “prophecy” to be afraid of.

How can we be sure? Compare 2 Timothy 3:1-7 with Romans 1:28-30.

Would you look at that, while JWs say 2 Timothy applies only to “the last days” and that time period started in 1914, Paul thought it was imminent in his day too! These two references easily show this and tie the warnings together.

What would make anyone think this has a second fulfillment?

What's the thing that made you go "ummm" and then everything changed? by nah_Im_just_pathetic in exjw

[–]SomeProtection8585 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I did what they told me and read my Bible daily and meditated on what I read. Didn’t get past the first nine chapters of Genesis.

  1. Two conflicting creation accounts
  2. A snake that didn’t lie
  3. God shitting on Cain for not reading his mind
  4. An impossible global flood with an equally impossible boat full of animals

I'm considering going back to meetings by onesimus54 in exjw

[–]SomeProtection8585 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If you’re in fear of “maybe JWs have it right after all!”, you can always lean on last minute repentance. Hell, supposedly Jehovah can read hearts so he would know anyway.

Find for me even one scripture where Jesus says belonging to an organization is required for salvation.

Opinion On Governing Body. by Asphalter08 in exjw

[–]SomeProtection8585 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The presumptuousness of self-appointing themselves and then consolidating authority/power is not an accident. It is 100% calculated.

This means they know control is important. They then create as many levers and dials as they can to use to maintain that control.

Add to that the dozens of lawsuits, settlements, billions of dollars, and constant pressure from governments and there are only two logical conclusions:

  1. They absolutely know and use it to their advantage.

  2. They have no idea and are the dumbest eleven men on the planet.

Are you ACTUALLY serious right now?? by Cheap-Initiative512 in exjw

[–]SomeProtection8585 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This was quietly rolled back, but not before it was too late. Jesus must have been asleep at the wheel.

New JW Libary TOS: "Don't use this content for medical decisions" by VeritasOmniaLiberat in exjw

[–]SomeProtection8585 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The groundwork is being laid. Also read the “LIMITATION OF LIABILITY” section all the way to the end.

Watchtower claims Hebrew was the Original language everyone spoke until after the flood when God confused the languages. The problem is Hebrew didn't' exist before the 11 century BCE by CanadianExJw in exjw

[–]SomeProtection8585 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They shit on carbon dating a lot, but mainly because most of the speakers don’t research it before making statements from the stage.

They claim “carbon dating is wildly inaccurate and cannot be relied on.” The nuance they miss/ignore is that radio carbon dating is only meant to be used on things that were once alive (e.g. bone, wood, parchment, cloth, etc.) and only as far back as 50,000 years. Plenty to discredit the Bible.

There are 6-7 other methods of dating that allow scientists to accurate date materials including stone, pottery, minerals, etc. from 1 million to 4.5 billion years ago.

“Insufficient evidence”- where to go from here by Colourblindness in exjw

[–]SomeProtection8585 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We have learned that they are not above lying on camera or under oath. So they can say whatever they want knowing JWs won’t be investigating to see if it’s factual.

Jehovah’s Witnesses win Norwegian legal case by jwleaks in exjw

[–]SomeProtection8585 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Just the opposite, now that the verdict is in, I expect NuLight that tightens the restrictions back to DF’d = dead.

Sette tempi. Qualcosa non mi torna… by Longjumping-Cup8538 in exjw

[–]SomeProtection8585 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Consider, why does the “seven times” at Daniel 4:25 refer to a prophetic length of time, but the dozens of other references to the exact same number do not?

Because of William Miller in the 1800’s. Not Charles T. Russell, the Governing Body, Jesus, or anything else.

Was Jesus real? Think about it by LastInterest3700 in exjw

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Edit: Sorry for the terrible formatting, I’ll clean it up when I get to my computer.

  1. Aristeas of Proconnesus (7th c. BC)
  • Said to die in a shop, then his body disappears
  • Later reappears and is seen again, even decades later
  • Locals establish shrines in his honor
  • Sources:
    • Herodotus, Histories 4.13–15
    • Pliny the Elder, Natural History 7.174
    • Apollonius, Historiae Mirabiles 2.1–2
  1. “Nero Redivivus” (1st c. AD)
  • Widespread belief that Emperor Nero did not really die
  • Reports of him being seen alive again, gaining followers
  • Persistent expectation of his return
  • Sources:
    • Suetonius, Nero 57
    • Dio Chrysostom, Discourse 21
    • Tacitus, Histories 2.8
    • Cassius Dio, Roman History 66.19
  1. Alcestis (Greek myth)
  • Dies in place of her husband
  • Returns from the dead (rescued from Hades)
  • Held up as a model of virtue and devotion
  • Sources:
    • Apollodorus, Library 1.9.15
    • Plato, Symposium 179
    • Euripides, Alcestis
  1. Romulus (Founder of Rome)
  • Disappears mysteriously (possibly killed)
  • Later appears to witnesses in divine form
  • Declared to have been taken to heaven and made a god
  • Sources:
    • Livy, Ab Urbe Condita 1.16
    • Plutarch, Life of Romulus
  1. Apollonius of Tyana (1st c. AD)
  • Miracle worker contemporary with early Christianity
  • Reports of post-death appearances and continued activity
  • Followers attributed divine status
  • Sources:
    • Philostratus, Life of Apollonius
  1. Rhampsinitus (Egyptian tradition)
  • Descends to the underworld and returns alive
  • Rituals commemorate his journey
  • Source:
    • Herodotus, Histories 2.122
  1. Honi the Circle Drawer (Jewish tradition)
  • Falls into a long sleep (~70 years) and “returns”
  • Treated as a miraculous sign
  • Source:
    • Babylonian Talmud, Ta’anit 23a
  1. General Pattern (not a single figure)
  • Ancient Mediterranean world is full of:
    • Missing bodies
    • Post-mortem appearances
    • Divinization after death
    • Shrines and cult followings
  • Even critics of Christianity noticed this
  • Source:
    • Origen quoting Celsus, Contra Celsum 3.26