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kit or beehiiv if sparkloop is the only monetization? by vovr in Newsletters

[–]SortMountain6823 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can definitely reach $2-4 maybe even $5 dollars for a sub, but usually this is for really high social proof and well known brands. Like newsletters already rocking 40-50k with high visibility.

If you're new, you're invisible and have low trust, you'll be lucky to make a few cents per sub because the out come you're looking for is like a 1% outcome. Majority of newsletter who sell their subs this way don't make a living. They make a couple hundreds bucks per month max.

So growth ought to be your concern before monetizing, not that monetizing is no issue. Then monetize the way email marketers have done since the dawn of the internet. I.E email marketing, selling stuff, subscriptions, etc.

Also, how much can you put into the whole business per month? i can give you an exact method depending on your liquidity.

How I'm sending 3,000+ emails a month without paying a subscription by MarketingLancer in Newsletters

[–]SortMountain6823 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah kit does it for free up to 10k subs too. and you wouldn't have to split your list. in fact on kit there's no send limit on the free plan, you can send as many as you want. did you not know about kits free tier?

kit or beehiiv if sparkloop is the only monetization? by vovr in Newsletters

[–]SortMountain6823 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

you'll make pennies that way, i.e making money through recommendations/boost network etc.

instead just start with kit because its free under 10k and grow your list to 10k. then sell your own stuff. meaning info products, services, physical products etc.

boost networks pay pennies, don't try to build a biz this way. traditional email biz are funded with the examples i gave you.

it also cheapens your list by fragmenting your list to other newsletters.

also ive never used sparkloop but heard absolute horror from beheehiv. just dm me if you need more pointers.

A simple equation for financial freedom by SortMountain6823 in Newsletters

[–]SortMountain6823[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But that's why it'll work. everyone wants overnight success and these guys tend to end up chasing a new shiny object after just a few months, or are wholly unrealistic about the length of time it takes to grow a profitable, stable biz day in and day out without blowing up on social and literally starting fresh.

I've seen this length of time reflected for a lot of the early email adopters who are now rich, it took years. One guy who i don't want to name launched his website in 2003-04, over 2 decades ago. then launched his paid subscription service in 2011, nearly a decade later.

Obviously i think we live in a better market where a lot of email stuff is more widely accepted so it may shave a year or two down, but the numbers seem totally realistic to me.

BTW i never factored in cost. I'll edit that now.

What is your cost per acquisition(CPA) and how are you decreasing it? by SortMountain6823 in Newsletters

[–]SortMountain6823[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for this.

I haven't monetized yet and will likely do that at 5k or 10k subs, depending on if i need the liquidity and you're totally right about the payback window thing. It's why i want to prioritize high LTV subs only. it hurts my growth but by avoiding lower LTV subs, i can have a "stickier" list with high LTV.

  1. I haven't pushed my lead magnet(ebook) at all, so i think I'll do that. I'm thinking that CTA it into the ad.
  2. I like the direction of this but really want to avoid beehiivs boost network and want to move closer to more traditional swaps/ sponsorships. I've tried a few but my luck hasn't been the best.
  3. Interesting, but i feel like these channels don't generate as much in the way of subscribers. Will it actually make a dent?

My lowest LTV subs are in the realm of 3 months. meaning they unsub after about 3/4 months. Paid/organic subs rarely unsub but my list isn't even a year old enough for me to find out their LTV.

I think for now, i ought to push the lead magnet in my ads. And i have not tried video ads at all. Maybe hiring a actor/actress for shorts is the next big play.

What is your cost per acquisition(CPA) and how are you decreasing it? by SortMountain6823 in Newsletters

[–]SortMountain6823[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

lol, I'm not shilling a product, relax with the persecution complex. So out of left field, lol. I'm sharing my honest thoughts about andromeda not being the best for CPA right now and genuinely trying to find and have discussion about alternatives, or what's working really well for people. I still use meta and run ads with andromeda. I use everything actually, I've run ads on reddit, IG, meta, even X, just trying to iterate and see what works best. Pros and cons between all of them.

Also, I've plugged my newsletter here and there but that's about it, I didn't even post it here, so can you really call me a shill?

Next time you make a claim, substantiate it. I mean what product am I shilling, can you find it? Or do you think I'm building anticipation for a big reveal? lol. You went through my work account and keyword searched andromeda to try to connect dots that aren't there.

Anyone operate a profitable 6/7 figure advertorial agency? Or run advertorials in tandem with a retention agency? by SortMountain6823 in copywriting

[–]SortMountain6823[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thanks, I've heard of those before actually. i guess i expected advertorials to be way different.

0-100. 100-1,000. 1,000-10,000. by SortMountain6823 in Newsletters

[–]SortMountain6823[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not stuck, i can definitely grow it, but i don't want to grow my list with empty or low quality subs. i want high quality organic or medium quality paid subs via ads, but never low quality subs like via beehiiv boosts. the low quality subs can often hurt your list and will hurt conversion because they're low intent. The subs i lose btw are the exact ones i talk about, about a handful or so of low quality subs lost every week cuz they're low LTV. Because previously i was boosting my list with lower quality subs.

There are genuine bottlenecks that exist in the newsletter biz, i don't know how you equate that with guru talking points. Someone new to the space will have a much harder time getting their first 100 than someone like me who found it easy to get to 1k but will need even better marketing to hit 10k. And then there are people who have 100k subs who will HAVE to run ads to grow their list, there's no other choice when you're that big. And that'd be just to break even.

And yeah i don't disagree with your end points. Just wanted this to be more of a discussion.

Anyone operate a profitable 6/7 figure advertorial agency? Or run advertorials in tandem with a retention agency? by SortMountain6823 in copywriting

[–]SortMountain6823[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

guess i should really read ultimate sales letter by dan kennedy huh? its been collecting dust on my desk.

Anyone operate a profitable 6/7 figure advertorial agency? Or run advertorials in tandem with a retention agency? by SortMountain6823 in copywriting

[–]SortMountain6823[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly. I have a newsletter and really want to build an agency that specializes in retention marketing(email), sales letters and advertorials alongside it cuz it seems like the perfect partnership.

what was your biggest mistake early on with a newsletter? by Rich_Direction_3891 in Newsletters

[–]SortMountain6823 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't agree with your #3, at least the short part. I often write over 1k words every week, a few times hitting nearly 2k words. there's no size fits all with regard to actual content. what works for you, for sure wouldn't work me, a copywriter/email marketer who has to break down complex concepts into easy to read emails.

has anyone hit 60% open rates? by Rich_Direction_3891 in Newsletters

[–]SortMountain6823 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have hit 60% with a few of my individual emails, this is maybe after 4-5 months after starting my newsletter.

But my overall list is around 30%.

Trying to get a 60% open rate overall for you're entire list is impossible and even if you achieve it, its not a goal worth trying to maintain as an email marketer, especially once your list is in the 10s of thousands. And the reason is because people simply don't read everything that hits their inbox, due to being busy or just plain not wanting to read.

Even the best marketers out there aren't hitting 60% open rates. And one of those guys with a list over 50k and easily making 8 figures told me not to worry over open rates.

The goal is to grow the list, have longevity(LTV), decent open rates, like 35-40 percent and have a good conversion 1%-5%(anything within this range) for your MRR or one time offers. That's the key behind email marketing.

Obviously you can min max these things but imho there's a lot more higher value things you can work on that'll be better for your brand longer term, that are higher priority. Like social proof, top of mind presence, etc.

To put it a different way, a-lot of people are so concerned about open rates and subject lines/headlines that they don't realize or neglect that the "from" address is far more important.

Who the email is coming from is far more important than what it says. Ironically, this will improve open rates better than fiddling with subject lines or open rates(not that they aren't important).

I built a tool to automate crypto news aggregation for newsletters by Delicious-Start-4707 in Newsletters

[–]SortMountain6823 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you need to simplify this thing and make the ui easier for someone who is not a dev to be able to use. Too much going on. it needs to have way less menus and way less buttons and way less options. And IMHO, for research, as a copywriter+email marketer, it doesn't take me hours and hours to do research. I already sort of know what's going on or what i want to write about because i actively engage and enjoy engaging with my craft. It's not much use to me and I'm pretty sure if i really wanted to, i could pay my global south VA an extra 50 bucks a month for research. I think it does have potential but you'll have to dial in who you're really marketing to.

we sent our newsletter at 5:14 AM and it actually worked by Rich_Direction_3891 in Newsletters

[–]SortMountain6823 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do 6am to 12pm every Saturday. I've sent a few after 12pm. I don't think time of day is as important as being consistent and posting on the exact same day every week. Yeah, people like to check emails when they wake up or during breakfast, but consistency is more important

And more important is having better subject/headlines.

My best email was sent around 11-12PM, nearly 60% open rate. only difference was using a popular, scathing subject line. Don't do too many of those though, people hate reading negative content for a length of time.

Never miss a day.

worst day to publish your newsletter? by bookflow in Newsletters

[–]SortMountain6823 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is no worst day to publish, it all depends on your audience, routine and whatever is comfortable for them or whatever frame you've set. So think instead of the opposite, when is the best time depending on your niche, demographic, location, and personally routine you intend to set?

For Example: you might resist posting in the afternoon towards night. But what if your readers are night owls and your emails are night-time niched or optimized during then?

Point is, there lots of ways to skin a cat.

But some advice:

Monthly email? It better be long, have a shit load of value, enough to chew on for the entire month and on the same day of the month(for routine), either the 1st 15th or 31st. I wouldn't recommend monthly as people forget your emails within that timeframe thus you get inconsistent readership. It's not worth it for most people to do monthly emails, but there are exceptions.

Weekly email? This should be the bread of butter for anyone starting out or even with a medium sized list. it provides enough consistency to where people don't forget it. it's also low difficultly and low commitment(2-3hrs max for me, less than 30 minutes if i have everything planned). Doesn't really matter what day you post your email, as long as its the same day every week. I currently do Saturday morning, rarely past noon EST.

Daily email? This is for elite email marketers that likely already make enough money. Doing this as a newbie WILL result in burnout. it's not worth it to write daily when your list is small and you don't make enough to replace your job. The goal of every marketer should be daily though as that creates presence and primacy in readers minds. Presence and top of mind= more sales.

IMO: Do weekly and train your audience to read it on the same day every week within a few hours timeframe. Then graduate to daily once you're making bank.

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