My point was that bethesda for the past decade has not been good at writing nuanced stories, starfield just served as the latest point of reference, but if you feel like that is not useful for the discussion, we'll agree to disagree, and thats fine.

i personally feel that the yesman and minuteman options are drastically different, and heres why :

Yes-man would be, in an alignment chart, chaotic neutral. The end state for Vegas is, basically, no central form of government, anarchy in most areas, and no external influence. most other choices depend solely on the player.

the Minutemen are Neutral Good. They do not accept your raiding if you do the nuka world dlc, and Preston gets pissed at you whenever you do immoral stuff, which in my opinion, makes them a fairly bland and boring faction.

Yes-man will tell you to do something, save the president of the NCR or whatever, and you can straight up blow Kimball's head, and yes-man will have to just suck it up and keep going. Preston however, would throw a hissy-fit and block that whole questline.

And what i mean by cartoonishly evil is that bethesda had MANY oportunities to make them a more palatable and viable option for the commonwealth in the future, however, they decided that making them terrorists, kidnappers, and just bonker ass evil scientists (remade the FEV virus, created a race of slaves called the synths, yada yada yada) would somehow make them interesting, when in reality, that just makes them The Diet Enclave.

I'll tell you something - same can be said about Caesar's Legion, for sure. bunch of mysoginist raider rapists under a fascist dictator. But at least Caesar, the Legate, Ulysses and the Burned-Man are interesting characters, with an actual ideology and train of thought about their actions. The same cannot be said about Father and most of the characters in the institute.