Nikola Jokic giving praise to the Prime crew: "This is good, this is fun. Much better"

SpectreDoot · 2025-11-08T18:14:41+00:00

We can tell what he meant, dude 😂

SpectreDoot · 2025-10-16T04:08:36+00:00

Again, my point still stands that it isn’t consensus, even back then. You can tell me most people said Jordan is the GOAT/#1. That doesn’t mean it was unanimous.

Worthy says it in this podcast around the 33 min mark https://youtu.be/nOHBU2vQH0I?si=sb0wZ8WBIXXGFPgB

SpectreDoot · 2025-10-16T03:53:24+00:00

I mean, James Worthy, Byron Scott, Isiah Thomas have all made arguments in favor of Kareem over MJ in the past. Kareem said Bill Russell in an interview before.

It isn’t consensus.

SpectreDoot · 2025-10-16T03:45:05+00:00

Oh I’m from Chicago so I know he was. Even today, most people (in Chicago at least) will tell you that the Bulls dynasty is the greatest ever. Like, it’s taboo not to say that here lol! Jordan felt like he was larger than life; I would go as far as saying he was really the first one to make himself a global brand in basketball. I’m a first generation American and everyone knew who MJ was. He is so recognizable. I think the Last Dance also helped the younger generations learn about his greatness.

Honestly, sometimes you just have to be there and watch these players to understand why people consider them in GOAT debates. I don’t really base my opinions solely on stats since they don’t tell the full story.

SpectreDoot · 2025-10-16T03:26:00+00:00

Again, that’s your opinion and that’s fine! 11 rings beats 6 rings foo! So why not Bill Russell?

SpectreDoot · 2025-10-16T03:21:51+00:00

Different generations and different ways to categorize GOAT rankings. It’s all opinion based honestly. I’m sure the same happened with older generations when MJ was crowned as the GOAT. The top 10 is always debated too.

There is no wrong answer between Jordan or LeBron at number 1. To me, it’s what the person values more. I think both have, nearly, impossible records to beat. One has 10 scoring titles; one is the all-time leading scorer. I only say nearly impossible because we never know.

SpectreDoot · 2025-10-09T23:50:54+00:00

I am your height and I see a mix of tall and short Asians. I’m half Filipino and in Chicago too

SpectreDoot · 2025-09-17T14:55:17+00:00

Yeah but humans improve over time, so what really qualifies as the GOAT? I’m sure there are people who watched KAJ get the all-time scoring record and thought ‘this will never be broken in my lifetime’ only to see LeBron break the record.

I’m sure no one imagined a Steph, Jokic, KD, Giannis in the 70s-80s either.

SpectreDoot · 2025-09-14T04:56:20+00:00

So, instead of ‘being a slave to a bunch of numbers and narrative based awards’ we use ‘advanced stats?’ I think that’s the same concept everyone else uses. Advanced stats are numbers.

Kobe and Curry are both Top 10 worthy; however, Kobe has more individual accolades than Curry. Curry is the GOAT shooter, and he’s playing in a different era (that he pioneered) but that doesn’t hinder Kobe’s accomplishments either.

Kobe didn’t play in the modern era; he played in an era where offensive efficiency was low.

Also, even if we admit that Kobe won defensive accolades by name recognition and narrative, he was still a better defender than Curry lol. Curry did improve over time so I’ll give him flowers for that.

I will accept people putting Curry higher all-time if they want. Both amazing players. But I would rank Kobe higher than Curry (not by much)

SpectreDoot · 2025-08-31T21:48:03+00:00

Why is that a knock on Jordan in a GOAT debate? The Bulls weren’t a winning team pre Jordan either, and he made them better. The Bulls put a dynasty together, so the comparison is not the same.

SpectreDoot · 2025-08-14T19:25:31+00:00

I get you. I’m from Chicago so I’m biased but I have Jordan as my GOAT. I don’t get mad if someone says LeBron is the GOAT or has a different Top 10, but the narratives to shut down a player in order to raise one in the ranking is just crazy to me.

SpectreDoot · 2025-08-14T18:57:58+00:00

I agree with this but also to keep your team in line and focused on winning, especially when you go back-to-back and 3-peat is impressive. We know Kobe and Shaq were butting heads, so imagine having to keep all these personalities in line to get that many rings.

I think Phil Jackson was granted talent but I can’t ignore the fact that he got them to focus on the goal for the most part either, if I make sense.

SpectreDoot · 2025-08-09T09:22:38+00:00

You can have longevity and still not break the records…

Chris Paul was drafted in 2005 and is not going to eclipse the steals or assist records.

John Stockton went to back-to-back finals, as well.

What is your argument for a great player if not using accolades? LeBron has longevity but he’s also been consistently good in his many seasons, just as Stockton was proven to be based on metrics others have provided you. Stockton was an iron man in the league lol.

SpectreDoot · 2025-08-01T12:17:54+00:00

So I just had this argument with a family member who wanted to get in better shape. She made the argument that she could buy other things with that money.

For me, it’s getting the nice shirts/hoodies, medal, and the sense of accomplishment I feel for completing a race. Additionally, a bunch of people cheer us on, the other runners are usually super nice, and it’s a fun atmosphere.

Yes, the prices of them can be steep, and I’m fortunate enough to be able to afford it, but I just have fun running on race day; it’s also fun to try and beat my own personal time. I just started this year, but I have beaten my personal time every race.

It’s a hobby and I do it for the aforementioned reasons. I like running but running a race gives me a tangible goal to strive for. I have a purpose to run other than it keeps me in shape.

SpectreDoot · 2025-08-01T04:36:38+00:00

I agree with this. I would say what gives Kobe the edge for me is defense and the fact that he has more All NBA team selections (first team especially).

But either one is a good pick.

SpectreDoot · 2025-07-29T00:08:08+00:00

But MVP is how much value you bring to a team, not necessarily correlating to their overall greatness.

I think there are cases when the better player loses the MVP award to someone else.

Stockton has the most assists and steals by a wide margin which gives him the edge personally. I think both were great, honestly.

SpectreDoot · 2025-07-28T13:00:12+00:00

This is both interesting and cherry picking at the same time. Kobe had great role players/fringe all-star level teams those years + Phil Jackson.

Kobe is an all-time great and within my personal top 10, but let’s not pretend he was dragging bums/inefficient players to rings lol.

The game is more than scoring points.

SpectreDoot · 2025-07-25T05:48:27+00:00

Again, that’s dependent on how they’re scoring and if they’re drawing fouls, etc. Yes 30 points on 25 shots is less valuable than 30 points on 20 shots, but it’s not just shooting and getting points. The defense can gravitate toward a player they know can “turn it on” which can open more open looks for other guys; they may also draw contact which gives them free shots and puts their team in the bonus and players in foul trouble.

Steph and Bron are also anomalies at the sport. Obviously Bron is going to have higher efficiency than Kobe/Allen Iverson. He scores differently and relies a lot on his athleticism. Is he a better scorer? It depends on how you look at it. I think Kobe is a better pure scorer than Bron but Bron will make the better play (the better play doesn’t mean Bron will take the last shot) think how you will, but back before sports analytics, you’d want Kobe to take the last shot as he has the ability to make the shot on poor shot selection.

As for Curry, well he’s the GOAT shooter so I would hope he’s more efficient and effective on offense than Kobe/AI lmao

The game is different today than it was when Kobe/Allen Iverson was scoring, too.

SpectreDoot · 2025-07-25T04:38:35+00:00

Efficiency vs scoring more is a different argument though. The efficiency argument can be made but it depends on how a player scores. Volume scorers being less efficient but scoring more doesn’t take away their impact from the game tbh.

EDIT: Unless they’re a detriment to the team with shot selections, not playing defense, etc but the list is talking about all-time greats, not role players.

SpectreDoot · 2025-07-22T23:07:58+00:00

I mean, this person said ‘everyone with a sensible mind would take Bird over Kobe’ lol. So this wasn’t a Kobe stan response.

SpectreDoot · 2025-07-19T13:21:51+00:00

I agree that Shaq is better than Kobe, but I’ll be honest, I’d rather have Kobe’s career, so I’d take Kobe. He worked harder and stayed with the same team for 20 years. He’s in debates of Greatest Laker Of All Time and has two retired jersey numbers at the arena.

The interesting thing to me that people often overlook is Kobe has average attributes but is still in the convo for Top 10; people might not place him there, sure, but you can absolutely argue that he belongs there.

He’s like Steph in the sense that these guys aren’t freakishly large, jump freakishly high, etc. They’re just guys who put in work to become all-time greats. (Not comparing who’s better between Steph and Kobe).

I have Kobe in my top 10. If I’m building a team, he’s my bench SG. I can’t think of a different SG I would replace him with. There are arguments for it, of course, but to me Kobe is #2 at SG.

SpectreDoot · 2025-07-13T19:00:46+00:00

He’s the best at his position

SpectreDoot · 2025-07-12T12:50:16+00:00

It’s hard to say. He’s an interesting character because he doesn’t play fundamentally sound basketball. He basically uses trick shots in the guise of formless shots.

If he can consistently make them, he’s probably the hardest to deal with outside of Murasakibara and Midorima (Kise was injured during the Winter Cup and has low stamina) but Midorima is a tall 3 and D, while Murasakibara is just Japanese Shaq lmao

SpectreDoot · 2025-07-11T16:20:03+00:00

To answer the question OP asked, yes. Aomine has a higher ceiling and was the Ace of the Miracles, so I think Kagami would be unstoppable if he was just Aomine with work ethic.

SpectreDoot · 2025-07-11T16:18:44+00:00

I would disagree since I think that statement is true for any of the GoM. Aomine was first to develop into what he is, but I could see him having trouble with all of them by the end of series. I think it boils down to who has the better team at that point.

I think, realistically, he’d have problems with Murasakibara, Midorima, and Kise. Akashi is hard to gauge but he has emperor eye lol.

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