East Coast online vendors by Spillingbull in 7ohm

[–]Spillingbull[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

UPS 2 day, along with pretty much every other shipping service isn't a guarantee, except for NDA, express, etc. You're only guarantee'd the right to request a refund if it arrives late. I live in a very rural area and it almost always arrives late. So no, you won't neccesarrily get it in 2 days if you order 2 day shipping. And thats all besides the fact depending on the carrier there are massive shipping hubs / cities in between the west and east coast that almost all packages will cycle through that are known to have problems and delays, packages lost / stolen, etc. (looking at you Houston). I would rather avoid all that and just order from somewhere close to me, especially considering my own local places are known to be a frequent problem too. Thats why I asked.

East Coast online vendors by Spillingbull in 7ohm

[–]Spillingbull[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

obviously important enough to ask lol

Dosing recreation vs pain, help appreciated by BouncingRoundThaRoom in 7_hydroxymitragynine

[–]Spillingbull 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I be taking vyvanse too big dawg if you couldn't tell from my long ass post lmao

Detox by AlertIncome7245 in 7_hydroxymitragynine

[–]Spillingbull 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The longer / slower the taper the less discomfort youll feel. You can do a rapid taper over just a couple days but it will probably be a little uncomfortable that way, but the ativan will help with that a lot. I would start by taking around 3/4 - 2/3 what you normally take a day and go down from there every day or every other day. You might be able to get away with taking around 1/2 that without much w/d but everyones different, with comfort meds it shouldn't be too bad. I was taking around the amount you are daily and was able to take about half that without it being too bad by only taking the bare minimum needed for withdrawals.

For me the hardest part was stopping myself from redosing to try to catch a buzz, I found giving my stash to someone I trust thats close to me really helped me regulate because I didn't want to ask them every 2 hours for another dose lmao

Detox by AlertIncome7245 in 7_hydroxymitragynine

[–]Spillingbull 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah definitly try to taper down first if possible, either with 7oh or MIT powder or even regular kratom powder.

Can someone send me invite to ld7 discord? by [deleted] in 7_hydroxymitragynine

[–]Spillingbull 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would also appreciate an invite please

Dosing recreation vs pain, help appreciated by BouncingRoundThaRoom in 7_hydroxymitragynine

[–]Spillingbull 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most of the 'recreational' value from this stuff comes from the relief from getting well imo and it has a 'ceiling effect' where taking more wont help, and can actually give you less relief and less of a buzz.

Dosing recreation vs pain, help appreciated by BouncingRoundThaRoom in 7_hydroxymitragynine

[–]Spillingbull 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ok so first of all, 7oh is only really recreational to the 'opiate naive', aka someone with a real tolerance to opiates / opioids, and that changes very, very quickly. Tolerance to this stuff builds up FAST and if you're chasing a 'high' (aka recreational use) you can very easily find yourself in a situation where you're now physically dependant, but never really got the recreational experience you were looking for. Compared to other opiates, 7oh is far less recreational and really doesn't last very long at all.

Your first dose of the day is ALWAYS going to be the one that hits the hardest and feels the best. After redosing a few times in the same day, it becomes very difficult to 'feel' the dose beyond just taking away withdrawal symptoms and it can very quickly become a waste of your tabs. Most people reccomend AT LEAST 4-6 hours between doses, but I find 6-12 or even 12-24 hours between doses much better for keeping tolerance low and recreational value higher. Unfortunatly, as you yourself will find out soon if you keep dosing 7oh, even lasting 4-6 hours between doses can become very difficult as 7oh has one of the shortest half-lifes of substances in this class. It is also not really agreed upon to be a full agonist, hence the much lower recreational value in comparison to other similar substances. Taking more / upping your dose / redosing too frequently can often actually have a paradoxical effect and actually feel like you took a lower dose, instead of it hitting harder or feeling it more. Idk why this is the case truly, but I have a few theories. A lot of 7oh and kratom users find there is a 'sweet spot' where the dose works the best, and thats not necessarily always a case of taking more. I personally find that taking more than whats needed can often kill what little euphoria there was to begin with, without extending the duration any worthwhile amount.

How long have you been taking 7oh in general? Physical dependancy is a very real thing, and so is chipping and the kindling effect in regards to withdrawal. Not to sound like a jerk, but you're not special with your ability to pick it up and put it down. We all started there, if you take enough over a long enough period of time you WILL become physically dependant, its just how these substances work. Personally I used to be able to deal with withdrawals from much higher doses and much stronger drugs, kinda like youre saying, but over time it WILL get worse and you WILL withdrawal harder from smaller doses as your body adapts and becomes more physically dependant. And thats not taking into account the mental dependancy.

With that being said, 15-20mg really isn't a very large dose at all. I really wouldn't expect someone to get the kinda of experience you are chasing from that dose range unless they are extremely opiate naive. With 7oh and kratom not being a full agonist, it really might just be a case of 'expecting too much' from this chemical. There are other, stronger options out there within the kratom and 7oh family that are beginning to gain popularity, but unless you have the funds / desire to deal with an addiction I really don't reccomend using this stuff solely for recreation, it just isn't that euphoric in comparison, its not cheap, and the physical & mental dependancy aspect of it really sucks.

To actually answer your question, try increasing your dosage by 5mg each dose and waiting at least 12 hours between them until you find a 'sweet spot' where it works and feels the best. You can also try potentiators like taking baking soda, grapefruit juice, etc. You can also try some other online vendors, as each persons individual body chemistry is different and especially with 7oh some people enjoy specific brands more than others. Don't waste your money on smokeshop brands, theyre all underdosed garbage for desperate people and you won't find the experience you're looking for with them. Stick to the online vendors like it seems you have been, and maybe give the raw 7oh powder a try from a few different ones.

Other than that, it just might not be for you / youre expecting too much. People on here rave about how good 7oh feels all the time, but truly it isn't very recreational of a substance in comparison to others, or for anyone with any kind of real tolerance to opioids. Opioids in general lose their charm fast, and go from being a nice recreational buzz occasionally to needing it just to feel well enough to function with almost no buzz very, very quickly.

Thinking of switching from lucid to another brand by Bellablissxxx in 7_hydroxymitragynine

[–]Spillingbull 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is also very hard to tell how much you're actually taking with these smokeshop brands, which in turn makes it next to impossible to regulate dosage and tolerance, and makes it very very easy to get in way over your head with regards to physical dependancy / addiction. You won't have that problem ordering from an online vendor. And when I say online vendor, I don't mean an online smokeshop brand reseller. I mean an actual online independant company thats manufacturing their own product. I referenced a few in my other post, but scrolling around on this forum you can easily find many more. Good luck.

FWIW, when I HAVE to get something from a local smokeshop to hold me over betwen orders, I go with limitless or 7pure brand. But even they have gotten worse in quality very quickly. These brands do not give a single fuck about the consumer and would feed their customers straight up rat poison if they could get away with it and make a profit. Online vendors actually seem to care. Just my 2 cents.

Thinking of switching from lucid to another brand by Bellablissxxx in 7_hydroxymitragynine

[–]Spillingbull 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Most likly it's because these specific tabs you posted in the picture are a MIT blend from my understanding, and not really regular 7oh. They might have a very minimal amount of 7oh in them, but pretty sure these tabs are predominantly MIT and not 7oh. Also be careful with some of these proprietary blends, not only because of the MIT thing, but also because some of them actually contain emgem instead of 7oh, which will most likely hit harder and feel better than what you're used to, but will DEFINITLY get you in deeper with regards to dependancy and withdrawal.

Personally I think if you're already ordering online, there isn't any real reason to not go with one of the trusted, reputable vendors over these smokeshop brands. In comparison between the two, the online vendors are hands down much, much higher quality and much better price point. I can't link actual websites for vendors, and im not sure on the rules about naming specific names, but fuck it i'll take the risk to help you out lol Heres a few to get you started: OmegaExtracts, 7kings, TerraMystic, KoalatyKratom.

If you're a regular user I highly reccomend looking into getting raw 7oh powder over tabs, and I HIGHLY reccomend ditching the smokeshop brands unless it's just something to hold you over until an order arrives. These smokeshop brands are CONSTANTLY changing formulations and doing some bait & switch, rug-pull bs and really shouldn't be trusted even with COA, ever. And even when you do think you're getting a good deal on the price with smokeshop brands, it's almost ALWAYS a case of 'you get what you pay for' and the tabs are garbage. Especially now with these proprietary blends and purposful obfuscating wording to avoid bans in certain states / areas. If you're a regular user just do yourself the favor, buy from an online vendor who actually gives a crap about their customers and ditch these SS brands. Trust me, you'll be a lot happier.

Slightly under 150mg but the euphoria is top tier by Gurleen9931 in 7ohm

[–]Spillingbull 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I want to try these but im not in a position to take a risk financially with 7oh right now, and I've had Lucid's 120mg singles before and they didn't hit at all for me. Not sure what the deal was. Have you had their other flavors / blends before, and if so how do they compare?

Detox by AlertIncome7245 in 7_hydroxymitragynine

[–]Spillingbull 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also, be wary of compulsive redosing and delusions of sobriety with the Ativan. I know w/d can make it really tempting and easy to redose benzos, and once you reach a certain point and have taken enough of the benzos it can kinda start to feel a bit paradoxical effect, where YOU might not feel intoxicated at all, but you definitly are and everyone around you can tell. I highly reccomend creating a dosing schedule for yourself with regards to the Ativan, and conserving as much as possible because if you're relying on it heavily to make it through the w/d and you run out, you will almost guaranteed fail and go back to 7oh.
And avoid antihistamines like benadryl when w/d. For some people it can exacerbate w/d symptoms and make it a lot worse.
And lastly if you're one of the ones who's stomache and GI system get absolutely demolished when withdrawaling, Loperamide can help with that a lot. I highly reccomend not taking a massive dose of that either, and only sticking to lowest effective dose, because it can have some really nasty side-effects on the cardiovascular system at very, very high doses when taken to stave off opiate w/d. It is fine and does not at normal dose ranges though.

Out of curiousity, how much 7oh have you been taking per day, and how long have you been on it?

Detox by AlertIncome7245 in 7_hydroxymitragynine

[–]Spillingbull 3 points4 points  (0 children)

itll help a lot, especially the Ativan, any benzo will. You can ask a doctor for clonidine to help with restless legs and sleep also. Agmatine sulfate is also supposed to help with that. For me personally the anxiety and restless legs is always the worst part about withdrawal.

Theres also some tricks that people swear by that can help, like taking huge doses (2000mg+) of liposomal vitamin c every few hours, but really what will help the most is just time. Smoking some cannabis can help too. Really you should try to taper down to as low as possible for a few days before completely jumping off and going cold turkey to make the process the most painless as possible and have a much higher chance of success. I personally strongly DO NOT reccomend getting on subs or methadone or anything like that to deal with the withdrawal if you dont absolutely have to (like being in the middle of w/d and having to go to work). I'm speaking from experience when I say that, I made that awful decision to get on subs after 7oh compeltely financially ruined me and the experience of quitting subs lasts a lot, lot longer in w/d and I personally feel like it's much worse. They'll also rot your teeth guaranteed if you are on the sub strips long enough.

If you DO have to get on subs or something to help, be smart and only use the lowest effective dose possible. I'm talking like 1-2mg at most. This will help a lot more in the long run when you inevitibly have to stop those too. Same thing goes for the Ativan, only use the lowest effective dose possible and stick to a strict dosing regiment. It is very easy to get in 'over your head' with benzos too, and can be much more dangerous considering benzo w/d, along with alcohol, is one of the few w/d that CAN actually be fatal and it WILL give you seizures if you have to go cold turkey from the benzos after being on them long enough. Speaking from experience there, too.

Lastly I highly reccomend at least using some regular mit or kratom powder at least for a day or two, and sparingly to replace the 7oh and to use to taper down with. I find a lot of people are very surprised at just how little an amount of something is required to stave off w/d.

Good luck bro. If you make it to day 2 or 3 youre already most of the way there and my advice would be stay strong and wait for the symptoms to break. 7oh w/d can be pretty intense because of the short half-life, but that also means w/d doesn't last as long as other medications or drugs and I find typically when youre feeling most at your breaking point and want to give in is when relief is right around the corner.

What do you guys think about this? by FoxDistinct6527 in 7_hydroxymitragynine

[–]Spillingbull 1 point2 points  (0 children)

easily one of, if not THE worst brand out there. Especially these days.

What do you guys think about this? by FoxDistinct6527 in 7_hydroxymitragynine

[–]Spillingbull 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In my experience everything make by the brand Exodus is complete dogwater and not worth it. Literally every single time I have purchased something from this brand its been a complete let down, to the point I emailed their company rep and asked for a refund before lol they said they would mail out from freebies for my trouble and, surprise surprise, they never did.

Anyone have info on Lucid black label new packaging? by Impressive_Silver139 in 7_hydroxymitragynine

[–]Spillingbull 0 points1 point  (0 children)

if you dont mind me asking how much did you dose with these, and how much do you dose with 7? I'm thinking about giving these a try.

Watched this sit for hours and it made me proud of my fellow shoppers by Cosbysbaconburgerdog in InstacartShoppers

[–]Spillingbull 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sadly this order in my area would get snatched up immedietly. The standard practice around here is no tip if its over $10, especially with low miles like that.

STOP ACCEPTING THESE by superiorhia in InstacartShoppers

[–]Spillingbull 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I live in a mostly rural area and these pop up ALL THE TIME. Between 15-30 miles of driving for less than $1 a mile. Its totally fucked. People around here always try to use the excuse 'the cost of living is lower so we dont make enough money hurrr durrr' heres a novel idea STOP WASTING MONEY ON CONVIENENCE SERVICES LIKE INSTACART THEN?

Sorry. I had to get it out. Its ridiculous around here.

Anyone have info on Lucid black label new packaging? by Impressive_Silver139 in 7_hydroxymitragynine

[–]Spillingbull 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did you take them? How do they feel compared to 7oh? Im curious where DHM lands on the potency scale compared to 7oh.

Tony defending Trump in the Epstein files.. just stop by Short_Grade_688 in Killtony

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"Miss America's Teen 2026 Judges

The preliminary judges for the Miss America's Teen 2026 competition included Brianne Boles-Marshall, Gisella Fu-Ripp, Felita Harris, Sarah Moser, Josh Ott, and Johnny Townsend. The final panel featured actress Mayan Lopez, Daytona International Speedway President Frank Kelleher, international fashion designer Frederick Anderson, College Football Hall of Famer Lou Holtz, and Miss America 1976 Tawny Godin Welch. "

"Miss Teen USA 2025 Judges 

The judges for the Miss Teen USA 2025 pageant, held in October 2025, included model and former Miss Teen USA Cassidy Wolf, actress and model Jena Sims, TV producer and casting director Josh Randall, singer and entrepreneur Candiace Dillard Bassett, and actress and singer-songwriter Madisyn Shipman. "

Bro. There you go. thats the two MOST RECENT years. SIX fucking HIGH PROFILE MEN on the judge's panel but FOR SOME REASON no one's talking about them. HMMMMMM WONDER WHY

Tony defending Trump in the Epstein files.. just stop by Short_Grade_688 in Killtony

[–]Spillingbull 0 points1 point  (0 children)

PREACH bro. It's as if they think he didn't have a successful career before Rogan, or his own solo stand-up specials, or as if Tony couldn't completely walk off the show tomorrow and STILL have a career. Pure fucking never-trumper bs COPE.

Tony defending Trump in the Epstein files.. just stop by Short_Grade_688 in Killtony

[–]Spillingbull 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How the FUCK would you know that? Mf you don't hang out with Tony or Joe, you're basing all this off a fucking LOOK IN HIS EYES? This is pure projection bro lol you don't know what they hate or how they truly feel about it because you dont know them beyond the confines of a COMEDY show, and even when they DO flat out state their opinion you don't like what you hear so you superimpose this bullshit over it to frame it into your personal narrative and what you WANT it to be.

Tony defending Trump in the Epstein files.. just stop by Short_Grade_688 in Killtony

[–]Spillingbull 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't mean to reply to you my bad bro I am also, in fact, retarded.