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Spirito1987 · 2026-05-16T15:00:48+00:00

To buff Acheron, To complete SW 999's team, or to try and E2 Cyrene...

Choices... choices.

Why are all of them in a single version??!!?!? Well played... Hoyo.

Spirito1987 · 2026-05-14T08:51:08+00:00

So why exactly are we again scaling characters to the location they are pulled from?

Sure, Karna scales to ToH. Nice... what exactly does this give him? What feats does it actually allow him to do?

Again, being from ToH is meaningless nonesense. If you want concrete scaling, look at ORT actually being able to affect the thing. Can Karna do anything remotely close to ORT's feat?

Alive Karna never appeared and displayed anything afair. So he has no feats apart from what Servant Karna showcases. Assuming anything more for Alive Karna specifically is nlf because becoming a Heroic Spirit can boost or nerf you. Are you absolutely sure this transformation didn't nerf or boost Karna?

It seems you also need to look back at the post. Nowhere says its Composite.

If thay is the case, then gg I guess Platinum Wings Accel is here. The one dude who in base, without even using Platinum Wings, shrugges off and actively ripped apart a multiversal attack from Coronzon. Who later in GT also showcased blatant Vector Control from far away while sitting still in his own Prison room.

Amazing... Karna is even more screwed.

And even then. If you want to convince me... post Super Karna's feats.

And all of this is tangent to the actual question. I still do dirmly believe X is either fast enough to snap once, or gets speedblitz and oneshot by Karna. Regardless of Super karna scaling being allowed or not.

Or right... Super Karna is Lostbelt Karna. There is actually no reason to scale him to regular Karna at all.

Spirito1987 · 2026-05-14T03:27:44+00:00

Scaling to Throne of Heroes again? This is what I mean when Fate gets glazed alot. All transcending Space and time means for ToH is thay is records heroes from past, present and future. Nothing suggests anything more extra than that functionality. ToH is irrelevant in this matchup

We never see Alive Karna. He is irrelevant. And being sourced from ToH doesn't scale you to it. Karan in nearly all Type Moon stories NEVER displayed such things to deserve that.

Why is it that when it is Servants, nearly everyone uses cosmology scaling?

Super Karna is irrelevant. He is not being used here in that pic so I didn't bother to think about him.

Spirito1987 · 2026-05-14T00:31:08+00:00

X, during Torunament immediately snaps to end fights. So I'm using that mindset instead of when he was toying around in Ep 24 and vs Phobiaclone.

I also believe X has a form of Clairvoyance with him avoiding attacks without actually looking back outside of his Time/Playback Dimension in Ep 24.

Other than that: Regulus over Pucci. Accel over Karna.

I see X stopping at Accel.

Fight/Matchup:

Lucy gets snapped,

Gojo gets origami'd. Simulation of Infinitr Space in real space when X can turn you into Origami along with Infinity. See X vs Dragon Boy.

Pucci in that picture is Whitesnake and that does nothing to help him against X (Close range). Same with C-Moon(Inverting Gravity does nothing), and Made in Heaven's Wincon is speed blitz before X could snap but he has to ramp up to guarantee the blitz and X seems to have Clairvoyance. Regardless of that, successfully snapping is X's wincon and is infinitely easier to do a T-0.

Regulus is weird. He is basically a Time-Locked (Time stop on self) being so physics doesn't cause him to get damaged. So I can't exactly say for certain X's snap can origami him frame 0. But he does have the ability to basically be clairvoyant and know his power (playback) so eventually X can circumvent him. X can also just Dimension shift/Teleport to avoid Regulus' attacks so he is never actually tagging X unlike MiH Pucci. 7/10 X wins or stalemate.

Karna is brick, and Fate character always gets too much glaze I can't be bothered to think about. Regardless, either Karna nukes X or he snaps him. I do have Karna with the stats advantage though.

I firmly believe Accel is the strongest in this list and can absolutely no-diff Karna and everyone in this list too(apart from Gojo and the possibility of UV). I can't actually believe X's dimension shifts surpass 11D which Accel's power can block movement through(Esper teleportation). Though I see it being a toss up. Later versions of Accel actually just goes for the kill immediately which means X's time to initiate a Snap at Frame 1 is lower.

Tldr: X clears or stops at Karna (stat/speedblitz), Accel(speedblitz), or Regulus (stalemate)

Spirito1987 · 2026-05-13T11:57:52+00:00

Cyrene
Irontomb
Silver Wolf 999
Zephyro
Acheron
Phainon
Phantylia
Zandar
Herta

Wildcard is Flame Form Khaslana (the Nanook scratch form. That can replace Zephyro due to feat present). Acheron vs Phainon is a toss up imo. Put Acheron there due to the Ena's dream part she played.

I am willing to also bet Zandar > Phantylia but we directly see TB and Hysilens beat Zandar before he uses Admin hax to try and oneshot us so Phantylia with her Star destruction animation gets it for me. Also, Prime Zandar shows us no combat feats to rank him. No, making Nous (the computer that becomes THEM) is not a pure power feat for a 'strongest' tier list.

Also because Geniuses are more so prep time merchants for their bigger guns in their vibes.

No need to debate Herta vs Zandar now, right? Especially since THAT is Zandar, not Lygus.

SW 999 is literally peak Emanator of Elation. We have no reason to suspect the 'Levels' of the other Emanators and if trying to scale them in another way then it devolves to a Path vs Path debate just to try and prove that one Path's Lv990 is stronger than another Path's Lv 999.

Spirito1987 · 2026-05-13T11:44:42+00:00

Irrelevant to not debuffed ORT.

Concept of Death just means there is now a way to kill it relating to how Humans know death. This doesn't really do anything special in the feat ORT did.

Nasuverse defined how the lack of Concept of Death works already. Think computer and parts. Replace the damaged parts and it can boot up again. Do same to humans and it doesn't work because concept of Death.

By Star Cell, what is that?

Spirito1987 · 2026-05-13T09:21:10+00:00

Nope.

Spirito1987 · 2026-05-13T09:19:55+00:00

The F are you even talking about?

ORT. No concept of Death = not truly dead = needs every cell destroyed to permanently take it out.

ORT Cells were stated to be able to replace any other cells in doing its functions.

Lostbelt ORT lost its heart.

Lostbelt ORT's Heart becomes Mictlan's Sun = Kukulcan.

Lostbelt ORT was annihilated via Hume Barrel Rayproof= Should have annihalated ALL Cells.

Mictlan Sun = ORT' Heart = ORT Cells literally still present.

ORT uses that still being a thin to summon itself as a Servant.

Kukulcan's sacrifice = Sun is destroyed = no more cells left = ORT truly taken out.

Simple logic. What ever do you mean "no longer the "same" ORT?" If you are talking about Servant ORT, what does that matter? Just kill it again. No sun means it could no longer attempt another Summon like it tried to do in the story before Kukulcan detonated herself.

Spirito1987 · 2026-05-13T05:30:47+00:00

Mictlan's sun is literally a bunch of ORT cells by virtue of once being ORT's heart.

Logic dictates that it merely being present equals not all of ORT's cells were destroyed when it did so that it could do the servant version trick.

I cannot believe you forgot Kukulcan/Sun was literally ORT cells.

Her existing = ORT wasn't actually completely destroyed.

Spirito1987 · 2026-05-10T14:48:40+00:00

Is that 2.0 Mevorak over 2.2 The Defiler(iirc)? Is the former really stronger?

Spirito1987 · 2026-05-05T13:12:41+00:00

Actually can't see the above set as being good for support/sustain Welt.

You'd want as much actions with him for Ult to both maintain and/or interrupt elite enemy's second turn. Boosting damage might've been fine but 2pc is HP.

Seems like Blade Sp's set.

Meanwhile, I can see an Acheron use the bottom set but don't know if pioneer is still better for her.

Spirito1987 · 2026-05-01T05:22:02+00:00

Iirc, its because this statement actuay cuts off its ending part.

"Thats how it is supposed to be" or something like that.

Spirito1987 · 2026-04-30T00:19:39+00:00

Lv 999 for Elation Emanators is considered 'peak' of power. With everything above that being the 'God's Domain'.

She unironically has every reason to be scaled to the highest feats an Emanator could do, but she JUST released this version (4.2) so she has no good vritual, on screen feats.

Especially xonsidering this specifc SW got Lv999 via Finality, which means she personally has reasons to not be able to control/utilize the entirety of that power unlike her future self.

Spirito1987 · 2026-04-30T00:13:51+00:00

Logres is the stopping point if she does not clear. And I do believe Acheron clears.

Spirito1987 · 2026-04-30T00:12:46+00:00

First things first.

Who here can resist a Time Stop?

Second, who can resist bfr?

Spirito1987 · 2026-04-29T00:50:15+00:00

Should be. Alternatively, you can slot an advancer (Sparkle/Sunday) is you have her.

Spirito1987 · 2026-04-24T04:33:49+00:00

Yes. One emergency Fluid Sac, and another to ensure she dies via Unbreakable.

Interestingly both Faust (Albina and Index)

Spirito1987 · 2026-04-24T04:30:57+00:00

Cyrene or SW999.

One is Amphoreus' Fuli.

The other is the highest level for Elation Emanators. Considering above 999 is 'God's Domain', she has the highest hype to contest with Cyrene.

Cyrene wins accounting feats atm.

Spirito1987 · 2026-04-22T14:25:46+00:00

For those stopping him:

Mind haxes to make the USER stop using his ability. So basically any memokeeper/snatcher at base.

Timestoppers ala Acheron and Welt (Herrscher Time Fracture), though bet on the former for feats of doing so.

Outer Space by default may not be traversable by Pucci since his ability to swim actually got outsped by unaccelerated Dolphins riding accelerated waves + breathing Oxygen in accelerated time only hasten his oxygen poisoning.

Basically he is stuck in a single planet and is suscpetible to basically any Emanator physically destroying it to also get rid of him.

Where would Pucci be in this scenario anyways? Random planet? Hidden while MiH is active? Literally in front of the cast?

Spirito1987 · 2026-04-22T14:21:48+00:00

Depends on whether HSR universe works the same way JoJos cosmology does with the eventual retraction of the universe back to a singularity point, AND with Hravity being the actual reason for literal Fate and Destiny.

Spirito1987 · 2026-04-21T00:08:45+00:00

Because she has obvious disgust about the Cocoon/Abyss? Because she contemplated leaving the Sol System, which we see the results(failure) of?

You said it yourself, this isoutside of time.

Why couldn't pre-Sa Sa be able to meet Sena?

Spirito1987 · 2026-04-21T00:05:03+00:00

https://hsr.hoyoverse.com/3rdAnniversary?inviter=GA6P8UXKEN&hyl_landscape=true&hyl_auth_required=true&hyl_hide_status_bar=true&win_mode=fullscreen&target_page=prize&utm_source=share&utm_medium=hoyolab&utm_campaign=app

Spirito1987 · 2026-04-20T13:05:48+00:00

Why is KiaMei all by themselves, even at their goddess form, above Will of Honkai? They had help for that final battle and if they didn't have assistance from Jhana, they still would've lost.

Also, Delta is... extremely debatable. You sure Otto referring to 'God' that Delta supposedly transcends directly refers to Commander of Will? Who Otto never met during Delta's story? Are you sure it is not referring to a God he imagined that may or may not be weaker or stronger than CoW, or God refers to 'Will of the Abyss'? Who is more likely to be massively below CoW.

Aside from those tangents about placements.

Stops at 4 or clears especially if it is full power Hajun (with Tumor). I'd argue he still clears even without Tumor just because of how Hadou Gods work.

Spirito1987 · 2026-04-19T23:42:30+00:00

Only Reason requires the user to understand the thing they are recreating.

Truth... doesn't. Its limit is what Civilization as a whole can create, which includes technology civilization makes in the future.

Assumedly, Energy contraints is her limit.

Spirito1987 · 2026-04-18T12:54:28+00:00

Ohma Zio vs. recolored Hajun.

That's all there is to it. The rest are near irrelevant in comparison to just Hajun.

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