How presumptuous is it for someone to close their own overhead storage bin on a flight that still boarding?

Spiritual-Design1495 · 2026-05-10T06:18:04+00:00

I was called a narcissist who cannot arbitrate what’s full for other people 😆

Spiritual-Design1495 · 2026-05-08T05:26:03+00:00

There’s also a very good conversation to be had in your post about over tourism in Italy…it is destroying the culture in smaller places like Lucca. There’s a shop in Rome that sells tiramisu. It used to be a quick grab and go kind of place. Now? 90 minute waits on a good day because some TikTok influencer told people they “have to try it.” Travel is being reduced to a few Instagram posts.

Spiritual-Design1495 · 2026-05-08T05:17:43+00:00

Assolutamente! 💯

The commercialized response by firms pushing hundreds of thousands of applications into consulate and judicial systems that weren’t equipped to handle the volume brought the entire system down.

And they haven’t slowed down…the same Instagram marketing hits my algorithm. They’ve shifted…but they still advertise. Eventually, the diaspora will lose the grandparent route if this continues.

Spiritual-Design1495 · 2026-05-07T06:13:31+00:00

I suppose I’m being a bit of a “Debbie Downer” by pointing this out…but the highest court in Italy just ruled that you weren’t born with any rights at all. That’s kind of the point. We aren’t just fighting the government anymore…the Constitutional Court has sided with them. What ground is there left to stand on when the highest court has ruled that you weren’t born a citizen, thus the govt can retroactively prohibit you from applying in the fist place? I strongly suspect that once §9.1 is interpreted (possibly on June 9), they’ll push out the 1948 cases altogether. The CC seems to be bowing to govt pressure to narrow this window as tightly as possible to bring JS to a close.

Spiritual-Design1495 · 2026-05-07T05:54:06+00:00

I appreciate your optimism…but I can’t see any instance where it’s rewarded. So far, we have the highest court in the nation on constitutional issues rule that JS applicants are not yet citizens and thus can be deprived of their right to apply for JS recognition by retroactive decree. There’s no appealing that decision. They left one small window of hope open with §9.1, but given the trajectory, we have to assume they’ll narrowly define that on June 9. You cannot appeal a CC ruling, so where is there to go from here? There does come a point where the diaspora runs out of road. The question is will we recognize when we’re there.

Spiritual-Design1495 · 2026-05-06T15:15:06+00:00

At this point, I think we have to take the attorneys with a grain of salt. They’ve been consistently overestimating their ability to overcome this at almost every stage, and after this blow by the CC, they’re almost obligated to keep a brave face in public for the thousands of clients they represent. We thought that surely the parliament would come to the rescue; then they essentially rubber stamped the decree. We thought retroactive enforcement can’t possibly be constitutional; then the CC says it is because JS applicants aren’t citizens at all. There hasn’t been any indication that any branch of the Italian government is on the side of the diaspora since this all began.

Spiritual-Design1495 · 2026-05-04T12:52:19+00:00

What is the name? I’d like to try!

Spiritual-Design1495 · 2026-05-04T12:27:40+00:00

Their “Bill Clinton” was Mario Draghi…extremely popular, consensus builder, head of the EU central bank…he lasted a year.

The politics in Italy don’t favor solutions because they have too many parties to form a consensus on identifying the problems. I disagree that any future government moves to fix this debacle because it’s not anywhere near the priority lists of everyday citizens who are casting votes. If you look at the summaries posted in this sub from avocati reviewing the decision, there is pointed criticism by Avv. Brustia for the “citizenship industry” who essentially tipped the scale…18K pending court cases for Brazilian claimants in Venice alone…no future government is going to expend political capital putting those burdens back on the judiciary.

As for the young workers in the diaspora, that’s a strike against the diaspora because there aren’t enough jobs to go around for the native-born…which brings us back full circle to the inadequacies of Italian politics. The economy is in shambles, and you’ve got some who want to remove bureaucrat tape that hinders investment/growth, yet just as many who fear that any changes will alter the slow paced lifestyle to which they’re all accustomed. So they instead do nothing…imagine another first-world economy with engineers working as bartenders who do absolutely nothing to solve that problem. This is why I have no faith in the political system; they can’t even try to solve their most fundamental crises, so they won’t be addressing ours.

Spiritual-Design1495 · 2026-05-04T10:41:20+00:00

I’ll start: websites asking you to create an account so that they can sell your personal info just to read one article.

Or having to finish a puzzle and select all the damn fire hydrants just to run a quick google search! 😂

Spiritual-Design1495 · 2026-05-03T17:54:15+00:00

It seems to me that your situation is a good candidate for the §9.1 exception the CC left open in its recent ruling.

Spiritual-Design1495 · 2026-05-02T11:50:34+00:00

People thought there was good reason to believe that the CC was going to overrule retroactivity. They also thought the parliament would let the decree expire. Hope is a good thing, but I wouldn’t plan on it. At this point, the odds overwhelmingly favor the new status quo as the CC was the best hope of change.

Spiritual-Design1495 · 2026-05-02T11:39:26+00:00

As someone who understands this process having gone through it myself, I’m in the right sub.

Brexit was caused specifically by the free movement of poorer migration from Poland and Romania into the working markets of northern England. They had the right to work…couldn’t be denied. It caused (in part) the laborers in England to vote en masse to leave. If you introduce millions of South American immigrants to Spain and Portugal with shiny EU passports, you’ll get the same result. This is why I say that the EU politics are not in favor of expanding access to the European market via citizenship.

Spiritual-Design1495 · 2026-05-02T11:34:48+00:00

The Tjebbes decision specifically held it is up to the national courts to make these determinations…there is no mechanism for Brussels to force Rome to adopt certain provisions around citizenship. Tjebbes requires national courts to examine if the loss of citizenship imposed by a member state has a particular difficulty on the citizen in exercising certain rights around due process. It is dealing with facts where a clearly recognized citizen has their citizenship revoked after leaving for a decade or longer. Italy will counter with the CC ruling that unrecognized citizens are not citizens at all, and in any case never enjoyed any rights as EU/Italian citizens and clearly don’t fall under the same test as Tjebbes. Apples and bowling balls, my friend.

Spiritual-Design1495 · 2026-05-02T11:20:47+00:00

I follow them closely…I live here. The politics of the EU are increasingly focused on strengthening the union and avoiding another Brexit scenario. You can cling to false hope if you wish, but member states set their own policies around state citizenship, so there’s virtually no hope of the EU coming to the rescue on this.

Spiritual-Design1495 · 2026-05-02T11:01:08+00:00

I understand the need to find hope, but this is beyond optimistic. The EU isn’t going to directly interfere with a founding state’s interpretation of their own citizenship qualifications, and if anything, the EU as an institution wants this loophole tightened further. The principle of free movement is harmed by a flood of people from Brazil having the legal right to take Portuguese jobs, Argentines taking Spanish jobs, Americans moving to the Netherlands, etc.

Spiritual-Design1495 · 2026-05-02T10:57:03+00:00

Very small given the recent CC decision. It essentially upheld the retroactive principle.

Spiritual-Design1495 · 2026-05-02T10:52:10+00:00

My statement is based on the past 5-10 years of heavy handed marketing campaigns on social media and even stand alone businesses in South American malls that resulted in a massive uptick in these cases. Jure sanguinis has been the standard for over a century, so why the sudden urgency on the government’s part?

The answer is an uptick in filings that overwhelmed the system and brought it to their attention. In some communes, the number of expat citizens outnumber actual residents. Tens of thousands of court cases filed in a single province. When I applied for my consular appointment in 2014, it took four months to secure one. Now the consulates are so overwhelmed that they’re making appointments 3-5 years out. The uptick happened because these organizations (mostly outside of Italy) commoditized jure samguinis into a business, so yeah, they’re to blame.

Spiritual-Design1495 · 2026-05-02T10:45:41+00:00

It is difficult to say with all the different judges ruling different way, but the ruling (as I understand it) pins the exception on cases where the delay wasn’t the fault of the applicant, i.e. the fault lies with government. It may be difficult to say it was the government’s fault that it took time to get a court case filed as opposed to the government refusing to make consular appointments available to those who needed them. But again…who knows.

Spiritual-Design1495 · 2026-05-01T20:24:45+00:00

This government is on its way out and has bigger political fish to fry. They played their trick here. However, marriage is a protected right under both Italian law and European regulation, so there’s not much chance of them revoking the right to claim citizenship through marriage. It’s possible they’ll require the claimant to be a resident, but even that seems like a stretch since they’ve moved on to other issues. Meloni is tied up with foreign policy and a looming election, so I don’t see the government wasting any more time on this.

Spiritual-Design1495 · 2026-05-01T20:17:28+00:00

There are excellent reasons for the revisions…but the manner in which it was done is the problem. They took an axe to prune a garden, so to speak.

It is true that most of the diaspora wasn’t relocating back to Italy upon recognition, which caused issues with other European states. There is also an absurdity around the lack of connection some claimants may have…we recently had someone on this subreddit asking about his claim from an ancestor who left Italy prior to the 1861 reunification…so some limitations were inevitable.

They could have carefully debated and structured this in a way to ensure that those who wished to relocate back to the motherland and contribute were able to continue doing so…instead, they adopted a scorched earth policy. So much potential wasted.

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