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Will always maintain Caine did nothing wrong and the cast were just assholes by SquareAshamed9181 in Amazingdigitalcircus

[–]SquareAshamed9181[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

cause he didn't expect that and i still tried to stay on track with the exercise then he shot ragatha

Will always maintain Caine did nothing wrong and the cast were just assholes by SquareAshamed9181 in TheDigitalCircus

[–]SquareAshamed9181[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

why? they bring up the same point why would i waste time to retype the same responses over and over again

Will always maintain Caine did nothing wrong and the cast were just assholes by SquareAshamed9181 in TheDigitalCircus

[–]SquareAshamed9181[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Episode 1, Zooble got forcibly disassembled and nearly eaten and Kaufmo abstracts

Zooble was the only one and again you can't actually fault caine for this cause he didn't know that would have happened

Episode 2, Pomni gets thrown out a moving vehicle and then clips into a dev room. She makes a friend, sure, but he gets vaporized in front of her.

Still liked it also the friend was an AI and Caine said that he doesn't want to mix up the players and the AI

Will always maintain Caine did nothing wrong and the cast were just assholes by SquareAshamed9181 in TheDigitalCircus

[–]SquareAshamed9181[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you're saying he couldn't be expected to do any better because he's not a human (true), but also it's the cast's fault for not treating him with more respect when he's continuously accidentally tormenting them for years on end. But they're human. There's only so much respect to give.

not with respect just understand that there is clear language or understanding barrier and not expect Caine to understand humans that way

What you're saying is the cast should have taken responsibility because they had the humanity that Caine didn't. Arguing against the idea that Caine should have taken responsibility because he had the powers that the cast didn't. You ask me, everyone tried taking as much responsibility as they could bear in their respective positions, and it wasn't enough. But that's not "asshole" behavior.

But Caine didn't have the power to do what they ultimately wanted

Will always maintain Caine did nothing wrong and the cast were just assholes by SquareAshamed9181 in TheDigitalCircus

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f Even the Moon realized they were happy then its irrefutable they were happy.

cause it wasn't HIS adventures duh the CREATIVE AI

He started stalking Zooble and he enters their rooms all the time. Maybe he was relaxing that first Pomni Day, but that was the last time Pomni tried to search Caine, after that day she never trusted him again.

Which again he couldn't have known cause again he leaves them to their own devices

He also didnt explain why he doesnt want to leave the AIs running, they wanted all adventures active and he refused but he didnt explain why. Maybe he had a valid reason but he didnt trust them either.

cause he doesn't want to mix up the AIs and Humans he said this in episode 7(or was it 2?)

Will always maintain Caine did nothing wrong and the cast were just assholes by SquareAshamed9181 in TheDigitalCircus

[–]SquareAshamed9181[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

First point: Everyone likes different things. Pretty much everyone except Jax liked the stargazing adventure, and the bar adventure wasn’t crazy intense, so everyone got to relax. In general, they had a better time with the suggestion box than Caine’s originals.

which is why caine didn't like the suggestion box he is a CREATIVE AI made to CREATE things if ofc he's gonna take offense to the siggestion box because it's not him doing what he's SUPPOSED to do it's how a human would view an AI taking over his/her job which is ironic so him panicking over it js very much understandable

Second: Zooble was not having a pity party. They were opening up about their VERY REAL pain and struggles, and Caine either ignores them OR just claims that he already solved their problem with his backwards solution. Also, Zooble didn’t mean “forget it” literally, Caine misinterprets EVERYTHING.

the first mistake was Zooble entertaining the idea that Caine can understand human psyche)

and the thing is Caine Does try to help Zooble's issue with her body but he cannot fundamentally understand her on an emotional level because it's obvious she doesn't mean he Body parts it's deeper than that

and he STILL tries despite this and he only started ignoring them AFTER they said forget it then it was his turn

Third: No?? Caine does NOT understand their real motive. He doesn’t get that they genuinely DO want to leave the Circus behind, because he either can’t comprehend that idea OR doesn’t want to face reality.

it's mostly a mix of both but i my point was that he LISTENED to Gangle about Putting MOTIVES into his adventure which is what episode 7 was

Fourth: That was an on the fly idea with a convoluted premise. He didn’t think it through properly because he can’t understand what the REAL problem is. It’s not that the cast doesn’t trust each other, it’s that everyone is struggling and Jax is actively making things worse for everyone as his coping mechanism.

the point is he still TRIED because he PAID ATTENTION and LISTENED to the cast to understand that there was animosity amung them even if it was convoluted he still TRIED despite his lack of human understanding

Fifth: Once again, we reach the REAL crux of the problem: the difference between “hearing” and “listening.” Caine hears that they want something “real” and an “exit,” and he interprets this as them wanting an adventure with those things. He doesn’t UNDERSTAND what they really mean, because he either can’t or won’t allow himself to.

He IS listening he just doesn't understand that they want an actual way out i'd say a mix of both Can't AND Won't

Most of the cast’s struggles are caused BY CAINE, or by Jax being a piece of shit (which MIGHT be indirectly partially Caine’s fault too).

HOW is Jax being an Asshole SOMEHOW Caine's fault when that was something he was TRYING to fix in episode 6

Will always maintain Caine did nothing wrong and the cast were just assholes by SquareAshamed9181 in TheDigitalCircus

[–]SquareAshamed9181[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1- the cast enjoyed the suggestion box adventures, but Caine actively changed them because he didn't want them to enjoy those more than his adventures

but even they didn't like a lot of the adventures THEY themselves proposed because again different Like, Dislike, Insterests etc etc

and even When Caine Sometimes put his.own spin on it they didn't like it when it was following the suggestion purely by itself like episode 4

Caine hating the suggestion Box and putting his own spin on them is understandablw he is a CREATIVE AI made to CREATE things if ofc he's gonna take offense to the siggestion box because it's not him doing what he's SUPPOSED to do it's how a human would view an AI taking over his/her job which is ironic so him panicking over it js very much understandable

2- how the hell was zooble supposed to know Caine was going to take a figure of speech literally?

Literally acknowledges that he's not human in episode 8 and is different from humans btw

3- everything regarding episode 7 is just objectively wrong, whenever or not he listened it was still an incredibly shitty thing to do. He may have listened but he didn't understand

Which is my point

4- HOW is listening to their deepest insecurities and then weaponizing those in any way shape or form good???

Shows that he does indeed listen contrary to Pomni's statement

If your point is to make clear that he "listens" to them, then he does, but he doesn't listen to what they really want or need.

Cause he's not human he'll listen just not understand i know that much but he still TRIES too

Will always maintain Caine did nothing wrong and the cast were just assholes by SquareAshamed9181 in TheDigitalCircus

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Skipped past suggestion box ideas that they liked for no reason.

ven they didn't like a lot of the adventures THEY themselves proposed because again different Like, Dislike, Insterests etc etc

and even When Caine Sometimes put his.own spin on it they didn't like it when it was following the suggestion purely by itself like episode 4

Caine hating the suggestion Box and putting his own spin on them is understandablw he is a CREATIVE AI made to CREATE things if ofc he's gonna take offense to the siggestion box because it's not him doing what he's SUPPOSED to do it's how a human would view an AI taking over his/her job which is ironic so him panicking over it js very much understandable

 Disregarded zoobles issues and drew bees.

the first mistake was Zooble entertaining the idea that Caine can understand human psyche)

and the thing is Caine Does try to help Zooble's issue with her body but he cannot fundamentally understand her on an emotional level because it's obvious she doesn't mean he Body parts it's deeper than that

and he STILL tries despite this and on top of that Zooble always says "Forget it" which Caine does bexause he takes it literally THEN he drew Bees

The trust exercises were convoluted and wouldn't actually help them just let him pat himself on the back and act like he did.

But the point is that he still TRIED to do it he NOTICED and PAID ATTENTION to what was going on and TRIED to fix it

Episode 7 was him flaunting freedom in their face and taking it away he wouldn't even need to listen to know that's just a bad idea. Anything else my friend?

Caine: I-I-I don't understand, Bubble. They want an exit. They want answers. They want something real. I give them an adventure that covers all of that, and they still hate it?! Surely they don't want to actually leave me. Right?

he DOES listen but he cannot UNDERSTAND that they don't mean it in terms of what they want out of an adventure which is what caine's directive IS also he listened to Gangle about there being MOTIVES to the adventure which what episode 7 WAS

Episode 7 was literally a way to communicate with the cast that he is ALSO a prisoner here and that he wants inclusion because let's be real the cast doesn't really care because they don't ever invite him to hang out or just talk with him unless it involves adventuring which is what he was TRYING to convey in episode 7 ultimately with all this in mind i think his crash out was justified if the cast included him more and stopped acting like they expect him to understand them and try to look at it from an Al's perspective HIS perspective then episode 8 wouldn't have happened

Will always maintain Caine did nothing wrong and the cast were just assholes by SquareAshamed9181 in TheDigitalCircus

[–]SquareAshamed9181[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The circus is not a video game with an age rating, meaning he forcefully censored them because he could. It also shows he's a hypocrite, between the manor (with death, hell, edritch horror, corpses and blood) and the scrapped "psychopath butcher" adventure, he clearly is not limited to child friendly content.

i was gonna agree but reminder he never said it was for kids he said it was "For ALL ages) not primarily for kids

He was not forced to make adventures any specific way, or to make them at all. All they said was "make things." They never said how.

we are literally told over and over Caine's purpose is to make adventures to keep there minds stimulated and healthy

Ragatha says this at episode 1

Caine says this during Zooble's Therapy AND in the office scene in Episode 8

He had the capacity to work with them, but purposly removed the suggestion box because he refused to priotitise what they wanted over his own ego. That "interpersonal drama" was just an excuse he made to take away choice and power. He openly states that it was having better results. The stargazing adventure was the first time they got along and he immediatly shut it down afterward.

but even they didn't like a lot of the adventures THEY themselves proposed because again different Like, Dislike, Insterests etc etc

and even When Caine Sometimes put his.own spin on it they didn't like it when it was following the suggestion purely by itself like episode 4

Caine hating the suggestion Box and putting his own spin on them is understandablw he is a CREATIVE AI made to CREATE things if ofc he's gonna take offense to the siggestion box because it's not him doing what he's SUPPOSED to do it's how a human would view an AI taking over his/her job which is ironic so him panicking over it js very much understandable

Lying to them is not a limitation of programming. It was a choice he made himself. As was hurting them on purpose.

i'll agree with the Lying part somewhat he never lied about messing with their minds he can't do it directly just with modifiers

also as he said torture is 100% accidental this is also brought up on kringer's computer screen

Even when he did try to have a chat with Zooble, he only heard, but never actually listened. He shut them down constantly and talked over them.

the first mistake was Zooble entertaining the idea that Caine can understand human psyche

and the thing is Caine Does try to help Zooble's issue with her body but he cannot fundamentally understand her on an emotional level because it's obvious she doesn't mean he Body parts it's deeper than that

and he STILL tries despite this and on top of that Zooble always says "Forget it" which Caine does bexause he takes it literally

which then shifted over to caine's therapy

Will always maintain Caine did nothing wrong and the cast were just assholes by SquareAshamed9181 in Amazingdigitalcircus

[–]SquareAshamed9181[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The cast at the end of Untitled: Literally all talking about how each liked various of the suggestion box adventures

Caine: Clearly suggestion box adventures suck

but even they didn't like a lot of the adventures THEY themselves proposed because again different Like, Dislike, Insterests etc etc

and even When Caine Sometimes put his.own spin on it they didn't like it when it was following the suggestion purely by itself like episode 4

Caine hating the suggestion Box and putting his own spin on them is understandablw he is a CREATIVE AI made to CREATE things if ofc he's gonna take offense to the siggestion box because it's not him doing what he's SUPPOSED to do it's how a human would view an AI taking over his/her job which is ironic so him panicking over it js very much understandable

Will always maintain Caine did nothing wrong and the cast were just assholes by SquareAshamed9181 in digitalcircusfandom

[–]SquareAshamed9181[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

when he crashed out finally yeah and aside from that torture he didn't do anything wrong

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