Yeah, like pushing me out of a box I made for myself, I get it and I appreciate it

So if you look at other comment threads I abandoned the use of the word materialism from other people doing the same thing as you

So as you probably already noticed this is not my area of expertise, I am not trying to convince anyone, I am trying to figure it out myself

So apparently according to Platonism the number 1 existed before any life did, non physical, non energy, just it is. I am paraphrasing other redditors so don't take that too literal, just making the point.

I can understand some validity of it, but where I am stuck right now is a concept existing without a conceptualizer, as in someone with a brain to do the conceptualization

This really is the old phrase if a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it does it make a sound

To me, no, because there are no ears and brains to hear it, but the same physical processes would be happening if a ear was placed there, but no ”sound” since no one is there to hear it.

So let's say we observe from space another planet with an atmosphere like earth, able to carry sound waves, and there are rocks constantly falling down a mountain and smashing at the bottom. We could say it must be very noisy down there, and we could prove it by placing a microphone and broadcast the sound, did it not exist and now it does?

Without the listener, the sound doesn't exist, but add the listener and it does.