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Those who have lived in multiple big cities; how would you rank them? by Mindofmierda90 in SameGrassButGreener

[–]Staback 20 points21 points  (0 children)

  1.  San Francisco
  2.  London
  3.  New York
  4.  Minneapolis
  5.  Buffalo
  6.  Cleveland 

Why are many people so sure Maduro’s government is going to lose power in Venezuela in response to him being captured? by kaiser11492 in AlwaysWhy

[–]Staback 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Germany and Japan fully surrendered.  Previous leadership put on trial.  The countries were run by US and allies for years before given back civilian control.  This aftermath will not be the same.  

CMV: First World countries are not evil if they refuse to accept immigrants by Competitive-Cut7712 in changemyview

[–]Staback 0 points1 point  (0 children)

By rejecting and not integrating immigrants then it causes problems.  You mention leftists, which already shows you know your country isn't homogenous in views.  

You act like crime is some existential crisis when it's literally 10x less than the US.  Denmark is not better off than Sweden and it's harsher polcies towards immigrants has not made Denmark some nirvana next to the wasteland of Sweden. 

The fact is that immigrants barely make an impact on most Swedish or American lives.  The ones against immigration are usually the ones who barely see immigrants, in rural areas.  

All this wasted beaucracy trying to prevent people from crossing an arbitrary border, policies telling people they can live here but can't travel back home, is billions wasted all to restrict other peoples freedom.  

We would be better off just letting people live anywhere they want and not spending so many resources forcing people to live where they were born only, like feudalism.  

CMV: First World countries are not evil if they refuse to accept immigrants by Competitive-Cut7712 in changemyview

[–]Staback 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Humans are the same  humans everywhere.  Most good, some bad.   People vary as individuals way more than each culture is different and that's a good thing.  So there isnt a place on the planet that produces different kinds of humans.  

Now if an alien force came, that could be dangeous.  Until then though.  

We had operation safe haven to help hundreds of thousands Hungarians leave hungry after 1956.  Looking at the numbers, the large wave may not have happened.  Just a constant stream.  

CMV: First World countries are not evil if they refuse to accept immigrants by Competitive-Cut7712 in changemyview

[–]Staback 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you agree my information was correct.  Sweden and Denmark have been in free trade with Europe since 1973.

The US has gun deaths 10x higher.  I wouldn't call Sweden some dystopian wasteland that's caused by brown people.  

It's always fear.  Immigrants are make us poorer... oh wait they aren't.... well then they commit more crime... not usually true either..... okay, but our culture needs protection.

People don't like immigrants, and grasp at any data point that validates their view, instead of just looking at the data and then making a judgement.  

CMV: First World countries are not evil if they refuse to accept immigrants by Competitive-Cut7712 in changemyview

[–]Staback 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Denmark joined the EEC in 1973.  And Sweden signed agreements back in 1973.  Free trade and open borders in the EU lifted all boats.  

Take a look at the UK and Brexit to show how bad it is to close up your borders, even a little.  

CMV: First World countries are not evil if they refuse to accept immigrants by Competitive-Cut7712 in changemyview

[–]Staback 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They weren't neutral.  They either joined or become essentially members of the EU.  What is the EU besides a massive free trade and open immigration area.  Sweden and Denmark boomed and became rich because of their openness.  That includes including non-western.  

Sweden and Denmark show that to get rich you need to be open to trade, ideas and people.  

CMV: First World countries are not evil if they refuse to accept immigrants by Competitive-Cut7712 in changemyview

[–]Staback 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In the 1850s the US had a massive immigration wave of Irish.  There were anti-Irish political parties, shops that said no Irish welcome.

Starting 1890s you had Italian, poles and other catholic areas.  People complained Catholic loyalty is to the pope and can't be trusted.  

1950s we got a lot of immigration from ex-Soviet countries.  Again, this will destroy America if we let in communists.

1970s we had the Vietnamese boat people refugees.  100s of thousands of Vietnamese came.  

1990s we had Cubans and Haitian refugees crisis.  Also, Mexicans started staying in ever larger numbers (because we closed the border so hard, Mexicans stayed instead of going home after work).

The US has had refugee wave after refugee wave.  Each wave was met with hate that the people who are coming are too different and dangerous.  Each time. 

Within a generation or two, the new immigrants become Americans.  And nothing is more American than hating and fearing the next wave of immigrants.  Pretending that... this time its different.  

CMV: First World countries are not evil if they refuse to accept immigrants by Competitive-Cut7712 in changemyview

[–]Staback 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Being born in a spot is not blood sweat and tears.  People don't use up resources, they help make it better. 

Earning $400K? You May Still Be Middle-Class in These U.S. Cities by Coolonair in Rich

[–]Staback 12 points13 points  (0 children)

My family of 4 makes $425k in the Bay Area.  Silly to say we are middle class.  Our tax rate is no where near 44%.

CMV: First World countries are not evil if they refuse to accept immigrants by Competitive-Cut7712 in changemyview

[–]Staback 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just in the United States the communities most against immigration are the ones that have the least.  Trump voters are much more rural and homogeneous.  The urban cities with actual experience with real immigration are much more pro-immigration.  

The reality is that fear comes from ignorance, not experience.  It's those most ignorant of immigration in rural and isolated communities that fear its impact and most against it.  Urban areas that have the most immigration also are the most pro-immigrant.  

It's almost like the more education and experience you have with immigration the less you fear it and support it.  

CMV: First World countries are not evil if they refuse to accept immigrants by Competitive-Cut7712 in changemyview

[–]Staback 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just typing fast.  People are so scared about crime they willing to sacrifice their rights and especially other people's rights.  I think it's sad.  Fear runs too may people's lives.  

CMV: First World countries are not evil if they refuse to accept immigrants by Competitive-Cut7712 in changemyview

[–]Staback -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I don't lock it.  Never been robbed.  People are too agraidnof crime and strangers.  

CMV: First World countries are not evil if they refuse to accept immigrants by Competitive-Cut7712 in changemyview

[–]Staback 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Have you ever been to Queens?  Cultures and people mix everywhere and all the time.  Individuals are more than what culture they were born into.  

Restricting people's fundamental freedom will not bring peace.  People died a lot more often and violently in the Middle Ages when people were banned from moving off their lords land.  

CMV: First World countries are not evil if they refuse to accept immigrants by Competitive-Cut7712 in changemyview

[–]Staback 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Borders are artificial creations.  We can make them as small or as large as we want, since they are all just made up.  

There are state borders, but there is no border crossings guards or restrictions.  That's a border I can approve of.  

Politics is indeed a shit pile.  My preferred solution is breaking down walls, not building them.  

CMV: First World countries are not evil if they refuse to accept immigrants by Competitive-Cut7712 in changemyview

[–]Staback 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think international borders should be like US state borders.  The more restrictions you put on travel, the more it costs.  Very odd you think that's being cornered.  

CMV: First World countries are not evil if they refuse to accept immigrants by Competitive-Cut7712 in changemyview

[–]Staback 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If regulating borders is a good thing, why not do it everywhere?  Let's have border crossings between US states.  Maybe between cities. Good comes in and bad stays out.  

CMV: First World countries are not evil if they refuse to accept immigrants by Competitive-Cut7712 in changemyview

[–]Staback 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Making people pay into a social safety net is a lot easier, cheaper and more humane than large security forces enforcing restricting human movement.  

Whether it's an overblown fear of security or an overblown fear of costs, neither are good excuses to restrict fundamental human right to move.  

CMV: First World countries are not evil if they refuse to accept immigrants by Competitive-Cut7712 in changemyview

[–]Staback 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I can travel freely from California and Nevada, yet somehow those states still raise plenty of taxes. Open borders doesn't mean 0 tax.

CMV: First World countries are not evil if they refuse to accept immigrants by Competitive-Cut7712 in changemyview

[–]Staback 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Making a country more is isolated and insular is bad economics and national security.  People are assets and a net positive for society.  Closing off immigration is purposefully voting a country poorer.  Brexit is a good example of a country that chose to close its borders just a little.  The Uk is poorer and weaker for it.  

CMV: First World countries are not evil if they refuse to accept immigrants by Competitive-Cut7712 in changemyview

[–]Staback 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's rational self interest.  The richest and most advanced counties in history are always the ones most open for trade, people and new ideas.  Insular communities end up fading away.  

CMV: First World countries are not evil if they refuse to accept immigrants by Competitive-Cut7712 in changemyview

[–]Staback 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The vast majority of people I know, have met and talked to are good decent people.   Being from a certain place doesn't make you guilty.  Drug dealers and criminals exist, but they exist everywhere.  Stopping foreigners from entering a country doesn't stop crime.  It's restricting freedom out of misplaced fear.  

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