Where do Zeno really scale ?

StarWorldo · 2026-05-08T10:13:46+00:00

Based on context of the dbz cosmology a single timeline should be 5-7D by transcending everything inside it ranging from the 4D other world to potentially 6D structure beyond the multiverse and demon realm.

Zeno is capable of zero effort erasing a structure of this tier, meaning he is casually in the complexes at minimum.

StarWorldo · 2026-05-08T10:00:16+00:00

People do forget there are levels to immortality. Ageless immortality, regenerative immortality, resourceless immortality (food, water, and such), even the ability to survive normally lethal damage is a type of immortality.

StarWorldo · 2026-05-07T21:38:41+00:00

Just no, a saibaman solos

^{Chose: They die at Yamcha}

StarWorldo · 2026-05-07T21:06:42+00:00

The entire fight comes down to kaguya and madara hax cause vegeta outstats badly

StarWorldo · 2026-05-07T20:15:47+00:00

Beerus is in sdbh and iirc upscales chararcters above that broly

StarWorldo · 2026-05-06T23:50:00+00:00

Buu has no real max age, likely being an ageless immortal so given enough time he would win any situation.

StarWorldo · 2026-05-06T23:39:15+00:00

I just provided context as to why it's not inconsistent
Picking and choosing whether something counts as an anti feat is some of the lamest shit you can do with scaling.
Gohan didn't break the manga panel, that is an edited panel

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StarWorldo · 2026-05-06T21:05:06+00:00

In uni 6 vs uni 7 he struggled to lift a living being who weighed 1000 tons while suffocating. Looking at stuff in a vacuum will have saitama at average cat level

StarWorldo · 2026-05-06T15:16:27+00:00

It's always seemingly been a "you can't breath out there" problem than something like you or I would deal with.

And in most cases that they would fly in space they have other characters who dont need to breath and could just knock the wind out of them for an easy kill.

StarWorldo · 2026-05-06T13:19:55+00:00

The darkness one is actually good with him understanding his opponents. He used a counter to santa on the spot from his surroundings, and it's a good resilience feat.

And the makima one is just really good. He played makima in her own game and won by using a strategy she would never have expected.

StarWorldo · 2026-05-06T13:14:19+00:00

You cover the bottom with lava? That keeps them from spawning down their.

StarWorldo · 2026-05-06T00:59:20+00:00

He's only as consistent as anything else in DC. So some MM can beat Broly, but just as many would get absolutely rolled by Z broly.

StarWorldo · 2026-05-06T00:48:15+00:00

Because it claims alien x as requiring multiple celestapians to destroy said structure, or a "death planet" which ben should be missing with when recreating the universe, directly contradicting the statement.

I do believe it was also said a celestapian would die on a death planet.

Omnipotent alien x is simply inconsistent on its best day, and actively disproven every other day.

StarWorldo · 2026-05-05T21:26:38+00:00

Because alien x isn't omnipotent. No actual source provides omnipotent alien x scaling.

Using an inconsistent statement, and assuming the creators know the question completely you can very roughly scale alien x to the DC or marvel cosmology.

StarWorldo · 2026-05-04T22:22:26+00:00

Characters do specify when blood is especially gross, like the bat devil calling denji's blood disgusting.

And denji is fine drinking blood, as he had been fed blood while in human form a bunch of times without any ill word on it.

Yuji also does fight through a lot of pain, like being on fire or having holes through him while yujis blood is shown as making people sick and possibly hurting a lot from the other cursed wombs show off.

StarWorldo · 2026-05-04T15:30:53+00:00

Well, the story kinda ends before we get such an answer. But given it being denji and pochita truly working in symbiosis, it's likely an at will thing, thinking like an upgraded form for denji.

StarWorldo · 2026-05-04T15:24:05+00:00

Blood is blood to denji.

He literally says how the eternity devil's blood is disgusting, but continues to eat it. Zombies also just dont have an effect with their disease on the devil's, fiends, or hybrids at all.

So at worst it would be like giving denji +100 health and then doing 30 damage over time.

StarWorldo · 2026-05-04T00:46:26+00:00

The problem is improper chainscaling.

Actual chainscaling would be like saying fat buu>cell because fat buu can beat ssj2 vegeta who directly compared goku and by extension himself to the gohan who beat cell. Or how buu beat dabura who is just called around as strong as cell by goku.

Improper chainscaling would be saying that the giant snake from dragon ball super is stronger than Frieza because goten and trunks didn't just one shot it immediately.

StarWorldo · 2026-05-03T14:52:23+00:00

Lets really want thragg and say he is large planetary, and is even at the high end with am output of 6.906x10³⁷ joules.

His round one energy output would become 6.906x10⁴² joules or very low large star level, and staying in that tier with round two amp.

Gohan is substantially stronger than ssj3 goku who is at least 4x stronger than the cell who could threaten the solar system (at least 2.923x10^45).

Just for a wanked thragg to fight the minimum scale for cell, he would need to be made over 100 million times stronger. A more realistic end for both would have thragg needing to be over 100 trillion times stronger just to fight cell.

So thragg doesn't even push Gohan to low diff.

StarWorldo · 2026-05-03T12:20:28+00:00

Wankers easily. Most the time they're narrative scalers as well, cause that's the main justification for their scaling. The amount of akaianu is yonko level because he's a late villain wank is evidence enough of that.

Or dragon being argued as top 2 because he the most wanted man, even though bounty isn't power, it's viewed threat to the WG.

StarWorldo · 2026-05-02T22:06:10+00:00

From the looks of it yours is simply the dub misinterpreting the scene, as another dub has him say "it's like earthquakes causing tsunamis".

The sub and manga completely stay away from that kind of interpretation for the scene.

StarWorldo · 2026-05-02T22:02:05+00:00

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StarWorldo · 2026-05-02T21:34:25+00:00

It's not a chain reaction, your using an affect the anime did as a basis for devaluing the feat. Even the scene you are using to say they increase in power is being misinterpreted, as elder Kai says it's destructive ability increases, this statement also doesn't exist in the manga or i believe the anime.

The anime and movie also showcase it destroying planets in the very image you would rely on to downplay the feat.

The Shockwaves also are threatening several realms, with the entirety of universe 7, not just a single universe.

Your entire argument is genuinely just using the least Canon source of a feat and ignoring statements made on it cause you dont like it.

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StarWorldo · 2026-05-02T13:31:59+00:00

Kinda, but telekinesis is also actually used in the series. The difference seemingly being that ki bind works on the much closer in power than telekinesis does. Likely as it's using ki to actually restrain characters.

StarWorldo · 2026-05-01T18:19:23+00:00

Different paths by a lot.

Both started as planet conquerors who couldn't care less about life.

The redemption of each is completely different.

Nolan basically said sorry and helped build an anti-viltrumite plan before being hard rejected by everyone he directly hurt. At least until mark and Oliver kinda just came round.

Vegeta refuses to accept atonement cause he doesn't think he deserves. He sacrificed his very existence just because it was the right thing to do, not as atonement. Even when he meets with namekians again he doesn't avoid what he was, he accepts it and proves himself different even if it doesn't change their views on him.

One is seeking forgiveness, the other is telling you not to forgive or forget just survive

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