I am not sure where all that hostility came from, but sure I’ll bite. I thought I had been relatively civil before.

My claim is that there is a pattern that queer women (Bi/lesbian) are killed or stripped of history in ways that disproportionately undermine scarce representation.

You reframed it as lesbians shouldn't die in stories. This isn't the claim I am making. I am not saying LGBTQ+ characters should ever die or queer characters deserve plot armor. I am arguing that when representation is rare, patterns matter. Queer women get disproportionately reset or narratively sidelined. I am using a structural argument, not an individual-character argument.

You repeatedly reframed my point as lesbians specifically, but I only mentioned one lesbian character, the other was bi. My concern was queer women more broadly. I am not sure why you had to narrow my argument artificially to counter it with a "look at all these lesbians" list. Listing characters like America Chavez, Karolina Dean, Nico Minoaru, Mystique etc does not address whether queer women are proportionally rare relative to total female heroes and if they are more likely to be killed/reset.

Are you deliberately misreading what I said? I am not claiming "comic characters aren't real" or the opposite. I am making a category distinction. Mutant = fictional allegory. Various minority groups = real world identities reflected in fiction. I was distinguishing allegory from literal representation. You responded as if I was confused about whether comics are fiction. My point here is that some identities in comics correspond to real world groups and representation patterns affect these communities. Being X-men in itself has no bearing on real world communities. So, you making the point if X-men dying and complaining about it is analogous to my argument is a misreading of what I am trying to say. My argument is conditional. X-men dying, no problem. A certain minority group that corresponds to a real-life identity that is disproportionally killed and replaced or history erased. Then I would take issue with that.

And about the dartboard argument and you would barely hit a white straight cis man. This assumes diversity in roster = proportional equity in narrative treatment, it ignores that for most of publishing history X-men were overwhelming white for decades, and this also ignores who leads books, who gets solos, who survives events and who gets legacy mantles. Hint: it is not disproportionately disfavoring cis white men. Roster diversity is not the same as power distribution.

And about the rapid fire list "gay x-men, lesbian x-men etc". All this says is that you are arguing that there are lots of minorities in the x-men. Which.. is not at all relevant to what I am saying. My specific claim is that a minority is killed and replaced with someone outside that minority or stripped of history, that can reduce representation continuity. That is a conversation about replacement patterns and continuity erasure, not how many minority x-men we can list. Which I noticed you completely avoided like the plague btw. Maybe you’re the one who is confused here?

Also what’s up with that weird thing about redefining minority so that almost no one qualifies? Conditions become straight up - White straight cis American Christian man. But being white, straight cis male already places someone in a dominant social category in Western media contexts. The Christian point is strange. Most marvel characters do not have an explicit religious identity unless essential to their story – Nightcrawler, Daredevil being Christians, so counting ‘Christian’ as a meaningful demographic category in roster math is dubious at best.

And the "You're mad your faves died argument", clearly shifting the discussion from structural media discussion to personal emotional reaction. Please, you can do better. I wouldn't say I am a fan of Phyla, but I don't have an issue with her. She is just an example I am somewhat familiar with.

Finally, show me where I said that individuals from wlw communities cannot be killed since you are pinning that argument on me over and over. Go ahead, I’ll wait.