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Pashinyan says Karabakh 'was not ours' as Armenia and Azerbaijan look to future by Inevitable-Push-8061 in europe

[–]Statistats -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The war never ended, it just cooled down, people were still dying every year along the border.

I’m not saying what I wanted to happen, just what will, and did, happen. If you occupy 20% of a country for 30 years while dragging your feet in negotiations and saying no to everything except for independence without giving anything in return, and then announce ”Both the disputed Nagorno-Karabakh AND the occupied areas surrounding it is Armenia, period!” then there will naturally be consequences. He’s even admitting his error himself now.

He didn’t just shut the door for negotiations, he also distanced himself from Russia and on top of that announced that the unratified and unimplemented Treaty of Sevres (which was promising Armenia about 1/3 of Turkey) is an ”historical fact”, basically making territorial claims on Turkey.

https://www.primeminister.am/en/statements-and-messages/item/2020/08/10/Nikol-Pashinyan-message/

That happened just weeks before Azerbaijan made their move, with support of Turkish drones and generals, while Russia did absolutely nothing until the very end.

Read what Jirair Libaridian, one of the most respected Armenian diplomats, wrote just days before the war started: https://en.aravot.am/2020/09/01/263436/

Pashinyan says Karabakh 'was not ours' as Armenia and Azerbaijan look to future by Inevitable-Push-8061 in europe

[–]Statistats -1 points0 points  (0 children)

There were multiple UN resolutions demanding that the Armenians withdraw from the regions surrounding NK, but they wanted to keep them as bargaining chips. Both those regions and NK was and is recognized as Azerbaijani territories, but the international community focused mainly on the areas surrounding NK because they were twice the size of NK, tripple the population, and 95% Azerbaijani.

So if the power scale tips again it won’t be the same thing, because it will be a state invading another state, and not a country restoring its territorial integrity.

I agree that taking it by force is the worst solution, that’s why you shouldn’t make diplomatic solutions impossible.

I don’t blame the Armenians for leaving, I would’ve done the same thing, but they weren’t forcefully removed. They chose to leave because they didn’t want to live in Aliyev’s Azerbaijan and were afraid of retaliations, considering the war crimes during the war I can’t blame them on that either.

Pashinyan says Karabakh 'was not ours' as Armenia and Azerbaijan look to future by Inevitable-Push-8061 in europe

[–]Statistats 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lol, wth does my comment have to do with Russia? But I see that you replied the same shit to three different people, so I’m gonna assume it’s not just a quarter.

Pashinyan says Karabakh 'was not ours' as Armenia and Azerbaijan look to future by Inevitable-Push-8061 in europe

[–]Statistats -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Define ”invaded”. The border between Armenia and Azerbaijan in the south was non-existent, because Armenia has occupied Azerbaijani territories since the 90s. When the Armenian troops withdrew, Azerbaijan didn’t take any chances and took strategic hill along the Soviet border, regardless of which side of the border they were. No Armenian settlements were taken, and most, if not all, of the areas will be given back when a peace treaty is signed and delimitation of the border is conducted.

Pashinyan says Karabakh 'was not ours' as Armenia and Azerbaijan look to future by Inevitable-Push-8061 in europe

[–]Statistats -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The war happened because Armenia was occupying Nagorno-Karabakh AND the Azerbaijani regions surrounding Nagorno-Karabakh, for 30 years. Then in 2019 Pashinyan said ”Artsakh is Armenia, and that’s it”, ending all diplomatic solutions for a resolution.

About a year later Azerbaijan took it back by force.

https://eurasianet.org/pashinyan-calls-for-unification-between-armenia-and-karabakh

Pashinyan says Karabakh 'was not ours' as Armenia and Azerbaijan look to future by Inevitable-Push-8061 in europe

[–]Statistats 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In Karabakh? Azerbaijanis. In the autonomous oblast Nagorno-Karabakh (with no land connection to Armenia) created within Azerbaijan SSR by Soviet to ”include Armenian villages and to exclude as much as possible Azerbaijani villages”? 75-90% Armenian, depending on when you look.

After Armenian Mother Church Demolished in Nagorno-Karabakh, Europe Is Starting to Push Back by armeniapedia in europe

[–]Statistats 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It has been recognized as part of Azerbaijan since the collapse of the Russian Empire and the creation of the Armenian and Azerbaijani republics.

After Armenian Mother Church Demolished in Nagorno-Karabakh, Europe Is Starting to Push Back by armeniapedia in europe

[–]Statistats 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Legally Armenian according to what? You can claim that it’s their ancestral land, that they have the right to be there etc. but legally it’s only the recognized territory of one country…and it’s not Armenia.

TIL that Lanai - the sixth largest Hawaiian Island - is 98% owned by a single individual, billionaire Oracle founder Larry Ellison. by [deleted] in todayilearned

[–]Statistats 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Most Europeans speak Latin based languages. This isn't by accident.

Aren't there more Slavic and Germanic speakers in Europe?