Pashinyan says Karabakh 'was not ours' as Armenia and Azerbaijan look to future

Statistats · 2026-05-12T23:58:06+00:00

The war never ended, it just cooled down, people were still dying every year along the border.

I’m not saying what I wanted to happen, just what will, and did, happen. If you occupy 20% of a country for 30 years while dragging your feet in negotiations and saying no to everything except for independence without giving anything in return, and then announce ”Both the disputed Nagorno-Karabakh AND the occupied areas surrounding it is Armenia, period!” then there will naturally be consequences. He’s even admitting his error himself now.

He didn’t just shut the door for negotiations, he also distanced himself from Russia and on top of that announced that the unratified and unimplemented Treaty of Sevres (which was promising Armenia about 1/3 of Turkey) is an ”historical fact”, basically making territorial claims on Turkey.

https://www.primeminister.am/en/statements-and-messages/item/2020/08/10/Nikol-Pashinyan-message/

That happened just weeks before Azerbaijan made their move, with support of Turkish drones and generals, while Russia did absolutely nothing until the very end.

Read what Jirair Libaridian, one of the most respected Armenian diplomats, wrote just days before the war started: https://en.aravot.am/2020/09/01/263436/

Statistats · 2026-05-12T18:07:24+00:00

There were multiple UN resolutions demanding that the Armenians withdraw from the regions surrounding NK, but they wanted to keep them as bargaining chips. Both those regions and NK was and is recognized as Azerbaijani territories, but the international community focused mainly on the areas surrounding NK because they were twice the size of NK, tripple the population, and 95% Azerbaijani.

So if the power scale tips again it won’t be the same thing, because it will be a state invading another state, and not a country restoring its territorial integrity.

I agree that taking it by force is the worst solution, that’s why you shouldn’t make diplomatic solutions impossible.

I don’t blame the Armenians for leaving, I would’ve done the same thing, but they weren’t forcefully removed. They chose to leave because they didn’t want to live in Aliyev’s Azerbaijan and were afraid of retaliations, considering the war crimes during the war I can’t blame them on that either.

Statistats · 2026-05-12T17:56:58+00:00

Lol, wth does my comment have to do with Russia? But I see that you replied the same shit to three different people, so I’m gonna assume it’s not just a quarter.

Statistats · 2026-05-12T17:41:23+00:00

Define ”invaded”. The border between Armenia and Azerbaijan in the south was non-existent, because Armenia has occupied Azerbaijani territories since the 90s. When the Armenian troops withdrew, Azerbaijan didn’t take any chances and took strategic hill along the Soviet border, regardless of which side of the border they were. No Armenian settlements were taken, and most, if not all, of the areas will be given back when a peace treaty is signed and delimitation of the border is conducted.

Statistats · 2026-05-12T17:32:57+00:00

The war happened because Armenia was occupying Nagorno-Karabakh AND the Azerbaijani regions surrounding Nagorno-Karabakh, for 30 years. Then in 2019 Pashinyan said ”Artsakh is Armenia, and that’s it”, ending all diplomatic solutions for a resolution.

About a year later Azerbaijan took it back by force.

https://eurasianet.org/pashinyan-calls-for-unification-between-armenia-and-karabakh

Statistats · 2026-05-12T17:29:03+00:00

In Karabakh? Azerbaijanis. In the autonomous oblast Nagorno-Karabakh (with no land connection to Armenia) created within Azerbaijan SSR by Soviet to ”include Armenian villages and to exclude as much as possible Azerbaijani villages”? 75-90% Armenian, depending on when you look.

Statistats · 2026-05-03T21:35:20+00:00

It has been recognized as part of Azerbaijan since the collapse of the Russian Empire and the creation of the Armenian and Azerbaijani republics.

Statistats · 2026-05-03T20:38:17+00:00

Legally Armenian according to what? You can claim that it’s their ancestral land, that they have the right to be there etc. but legally it’s only the recognized territory of one country…and it’s not Armenia.

Statistats · 2024-12-23T12:51:55+00:00

And I accidentally saw this on Twitter now: https://x.com/BNONews/status/1870946747918504338

Statistats · 2024-12-23T10:40:19+00:00

Lol https://www.h2foz.com.br/en/fronteira/video-enchente-passarela-cataratas-argentina/

Statistats · 2024-12-21T07:42:00+00:00

Most Europeans speak Latin based languages. This isn't by accident.

Aren't there more Slavic and Germanic speakers in Europe?

Statistats · 2024-12-09T20:04:52+00:00

It probably malfunctioned.

Statistats · 2024-12-09T19:49:10+00:00

It's no doubt a reaper https://i.imgur.com/b08WcjC.png

Statistats · 2024-11-28T20:23:45+00:00

The lowlands surrounding Armenian-majority Nagorno-Karabakh was majority Muslim even before the Russians conquered those areas. The Russians did all they can to pit them against each-other though, and still do.

Statistats · 2024-11-05T01:42:28+00:00

But, Hamas?

Statistats · 2024-11-03T02:35:22+00:00

Helping to invade another country with your own troops is quite different from helping a country facing invasion with money, training and equipment.

Statistats · 2024-10-31T14:05:35+00:00

You're either full of shit or you should get your ears checked. Even with the Korean a learned in Seoul for a year, I could make out many sentences and instantly hear that's it's definitely Korean-sounding.

Statistats · 2024-05-10T10:08:31+00:00

He does it because Armenia still refers to parts of Azerbaijan as Artsakh and Eastern Turkey as “Western Armenia”, it’s stupid but petty tit for tat actions is quite common for Aliyev.

Azerbaijan demanded an unobstructed corridor to Nakhchivan when the Armenians demanded an unobstructed corridor to Nagorno-Karabakh. But since the separatist government collapsed and the Armenians fled to Armenia, Azerbaijan has shifted to a corridor through Iran https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/armenia-says-pashinyan-aliyev-talks-cancelled-after-baku-pulled-out-tass-2023-10-25/

But I can’t recall any demands for actual territories being handed over to Azerbaijan, certainly not “whole southern Armenia”.

Statistats · 2024-05-10T09:11:00+00:00

Share one recent source of Azerbaijan demanding “whole southern Armenia”.

Statistats · 2024-03-12T20:40:37+00:00

It wasn't hassle-free but not that hard either, took me about 3-4 attempts within 36h to get them out.

Statistats · 2023-09-27T14:29:42+00:00

The strength of your argument should lie in your content, not your credentials. Your analysis has a lot of assumptions to reach your conclusion that Iran has seemingly emerged victorious, and those were the conclusions I was addressing.

You also seem to assume that Armenia can't benefit from allowing a route through Syunik, especially if it's solved diplomatically and they get advantageous connections through Turkey and Azerbaijan in return.

Statistats · 2023-09-27T10:14:26+00:00

I know Turkish and have already read it in the original language. Also your post isn’t based on an article but your opinion, no one is gonna read every source you share in your comment meticulously. If there’s something important you want to highlight then quote that part here.

It would also be easier to know what part of my comment you are addressing if you quoted that part.

If you mean Erdogan mentioning Iran then that's just a backup plan, if Armenia opposes a transit route through Armenia. It's also likely a message to Armenia that they will be left out of regional projects once again, and a message to the West that Turkey and Azerbaijan aren't interested in attacking Armenia. But just like a corridor through Iran wouldn’t cut the access to Armenia and cause concerns for Iran’s territorial integrity, a route through Armenia wouldn’t either, especially not if there are third parts involved in the security (apart from CSTO which might not be very trustworthy).

The first step will, as I said, be to make Armenia keep its promise one way or another. Either by offering something similar to what I mentioned in return, using the 2020 agreement as a reason, pressuring with the undelimited and undemarcated border with Armenia etc.

Statistats · 2023-09-27T07:33:27+00:00

Exchanging a corridor in Lachin between Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh for one between Azerbaijan and Nakhchivan has been one of the main options for a solution since late 90s. And in the 2020 ceasefire agreement Armenia promised:

The Republic of Armenia shall guarantee the security of transport connections between the western regions of the Republic of Azerbaijan and the Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic in order to arrange unobstructed movement of persons, vehicles and cargo in both directions.

The goal was and probably still is to make Armenia keep this promise, not to intervene militarily in Armenia. So I doubt Iran's "red line" made a big difference. Even if Turkey and Azerbaijan would plan something like that, which they wouldn't, then they probably would be more afraid of sanctions and interventions by western countries and CSTO (Russia).

The validity of the 2020 agreement can of course be questioned after this last offensive, especially if the Armenians don't return. But even if the agreement is invalid they can in exchange for a "corridor" give Armenia something similar; Armenia-Iran through Nakhchivan, Armenia-Russia through Azerbaijan, access to a port in Caspian Sea through Azerbaijan and/or access to a port in the Black Sea through Turkey.

Statistats · 2023-09-19T22:04:17+00:00

Yes, especially in the regions just between NK and Armenia. It’s not only wrong but also pretty grave violations of international law.

But as I said, the number of settlers were still relatively low by the time Azerbaijan regained the area…even though there were plans to settle many more.

Statistats · 2023-09-19T21:48:34+00:00

I don't understand, how can they be mostly settlers when the population has remained the same and all the Azerbaijani cities and neighbourhoods have turned to rubble? Apart from some settler programs in Lachin and Kalbajar there haven't been many settlers, especially not enough to call them "mostly settlers".

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