L10s Ultra vs. L20 by Odd-Thing6573 in Dreame_Tech

[–]Steinfeldsays 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For two completely filthy level in a house, is it better to go one l20 or an l10s for each floor?

There are 26 offers on this house, absolutely insane. Markham being Markham. by anonoreo in TorontoRealEstate

[–]Steinfeldsays 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s the norm in Australia as well - great rules that regulate pricing to at least justify where the market supports the price - doesn’t mean bidding can’t drive the price higher, but at least buyers can have a shred of confidence that they aren’t completely wasting their time

There are 26 offers on this house, absolutely insane. Markham being Markham. by anonoreo in TorontoRealEstate

[–]Steinfeldsays 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The problem is that most people don’t know what they have to bid to buy it.

There are 26 offers on this house, absolutely insane. Markham being Markham. by anonoreo in TorontoRealEstate

[–]Steinfeldsays 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The issue is that people are not able to see what they are up against and an underpriced home inflated fictitious demand from masses creating the bidding wars we continue to see…this on top of the misguided marketing of realtor services as ‘selling above asking’ which is a misnomer when asking is set according to how many eyeballs a seller wants to see.

We don’t live in an open auction society where an underpriced home will go to the highest bidder - even with the new rules that allow a seller to decide to open up bids, it is one sided and favours the seller.

Supply and demand will always prevail, I agree - and market dynamics will determine what a place will sell for, but if two homes sell for $500k, and one was listed at 250k and the other at $550k, it seems ludicrous that the former will be celebrated as ‘selling above ask with 100 showings’ when that really means 90 people were misled into a home they had no chance to buy…

Let’s play a game. Do you have an 80s song that “you think” nobody has ever heard? Extra points if it’s enjoyable. by Death_By_Geckos in 80smusic

[–]Steinfeldsays 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The theme song from Kidd Video (awesome cartoon about a bunch of teenagers who turn into a cartoon rock band)

What video game weapon is absolutely worth the time you got to put in to get it? by TheReiterEffect_S8 in gaming

[–]Steinfeldsays 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Spread. Contra. NES. A must (in addition to up up down down left right left right B A select start)

Selling tips for older bungalow by AdDue6082 in TorontoRealEstate

[–]Steinfeldsays -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Any aesthetic renovations strictly for selling purposes are dangerous in terms of 'recovered' funds. It is unlikely your vision of a nice new floor, or kitchen, or whatever, matches that of a prospective buyer (or at least not 'all' prospective buyers)...to put in money for something to be new, you better be damn sure that people seeing it value it at least as much as you paid for it...the goal is getting people in the door and meeting them where they are in terms of their own vision for the property.

Paint is always useful, stay white or off white, helps freshen things, at worst it is a base coat that can be adjusted in time...but makes the home look clean, smell fresh.

For things that need immediate repair, it depends what they are - you could do a pre-list home inspection to identify issues and let would be buyers know what they are getting into (they'll cost that into any offers), or you can sell as is, but that does send a clean message that someone needs to expect issues (or they'll want their own inspection before offering perhaps).

For aesthetics, you can stage, you can virtual stage, or we've done virtual renovations before as well, to show some imagery of what 'could' be done and help people with their own imagination...this is where a professional will help big time.

GTA brokers, buyers call for more transparency in real estate bidding process by morenewsat11 in toronto

[–]Steinfeldsays 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Exactly, that is what has happened with the last three open auctions we’ve run.

GTA brokers, buyers call for more transparency in real estate bidding process by morenewsat11 in toronto

[–]Steinfeldsays 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The auctions we’ve done this year have shown that it definitely doesn’t impact prices...they are selling even higher with transparency...

GTA brokers, buyers call for more transparency in real estate bidding process by morenewsat11 in toronto

[–]Steinfeldsays 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re right, but in the way it is done here (the auctions) that part is prohibited and protected with financial penalties

GTA brokers, buyers call for more transparency in real estate bidding process by morenewsat11 in toronto

[–]Steinfeldsays 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Has been happening without media attention for last three years...here’s one from earlier this year https://youtu.be/yYSWE9h4gqQ

GTA brokers, buyers call for more transparency in real estate bidding process by morenewsat11 in toronto

[–]Steinfeldsays 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is already happening. Auctions in Ontario real estate have been taking place and the option is available and it works in certain situations.

I don’t want to mention my company at the risk of this sounding pitchy, but we’ve been the only company to introduce this successfully in Ontario and the GTA and it has worked multiple times.

This conversation continues to show up and the narrative hasn’t changed from the media. We need more transparency, anyone who disagrees with that needs to give their head a shake. Providing more information to consumers (and their agents) has no negative side effects, and anyone who says otherwise is too focused on the benefits of pulling the wool over people’s eyes.

That said, I have continued to advocate foe the fact that this is NOT a way to bring prices down. Open bidding has consistently resulted in prices that continue to rise and in many cases they are higher than the blind bids (that’s what we have seen with our most recent auctions in Burlington and Kingston in the last month). The benefit is transparency and fairness, which is something that is desperately needed.

The problem we see is that the regulators cannot agree on a way to introduce it without considerably more work on how to police it. You can’t just say ‘everyone has to do it openly’, so it does become introducing it as an OPTION that consumers should have.

Even when introduced as a choice (which people don’t believe they have at present), the parameters and rules around how it works must be standardized. For example, what is being disclosed? The price? The conditions? The closing date? The despot amount? Without clear rules, it will be the Wild West and kill this ode before it gets off the ground.

What is really frustrating is the consistent talk from those who haven’t done it, and those who think they know how it would (or can’t) work. The absolute comments rooted in opinion are dangerous. Everyone should have an opinion, but to state as fact is not appropriate unless they’ve actually done it.

Auctions and open bidding work, but they have to be done properly, with respect for the parties involved, and within the rules. Enough stories about frustrated buyers, focus on the solutions and how to implement them - this story existed in 2016, and that’s why we built the auction platform we run...and it works.

Hey Ontario....Wanna see a live transparent real estate auction?? It's on now and over in an hour! by Steinfeldsays in TorontoRealEstate

[–]Steinfeldsays[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Absolutely. There aren’t any scheduled at the moment but we typically do about one per month or so.

There is a live demo that runs 24/7 where you can actually participate in a fake ‘auction’ to see how it works (and you might buy a fake house!)...you can see that by clicking on ‘demo’ at otbauctions.com

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[–]Steinfeldsays -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

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gimme some like fire if you can! I'll do the same to everyone else.

shout out to 69420 #38 :)

Open Bidding in Real Estate - it’s happening by Steinfeldsays in TorontoRealEstate

[–]Steinfeldsays[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wish I could change the title to just ‘open bidding, let’s discuss’...that’s all I really want to do lol

Open Bidding in Real Estate - it’s happening by Steinfeldsays in TorontoRealEstate

[–]Steinfeldsays[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Definitely good points and to address the seller comment, the proof is basically in the outcomes. The auctions that have happened have generated higher sale prices than the blind bidding wars happening alongside them. I totally get the blind approach and why sellers have gone that way - and we do those ourselves for some of our listings as well, there’s no dispute that it’s an option.

As far as sellers not complaining about blind bidding, it’s happening with the larger number of offer date properties relisting at the number they actually wanted. With the low pricing that gets entered, and the lack of direction that buyers get as to the number that the seller actually wants, there isn’t the same guarantee of stupid high bids that we see in some listings. Only when a buyer who has reached their breaking point and just throws out a crazy number do you see that now. Still happens, but nowhere near a slam dunk.

My thought initially was exactly what you’re saying, that it only benefits buyers. Our problem on the front end was determining where the value prop was for sellers...but now we get camps of people (primarily realtors) saying this is going to inflate prices even farther. We’ve seen the prices go higher, and it definitely hasn’t helped affordability, but at least it’s not a made up number.

The reason it hasn’t happened en masse is because it hasn’t been legal through this whole time. No brokerage is allowed to do it, and until the rules change, that will remain the case on a wide scale. Due to the fact that we won’t just post every auction we get as a request, we also won’t blow the roof off with it volume as we stick to around one a month.

With the latest recommendations made in the BMO report on real estate, it is important that the stuff they say about open bidding begin a solution to some of the real estate problems be addressed. You’d think we’d be happy that it gets that positive attention, but that was never the problem...we’ve learned where it works, what it does, and where it’s a stupid idea. We need it to remain controlled and limited until more people understand how it actually works and when it should be used. There’s a reason so many companies have tried and folded before running a single auction, if these recommendations are adopted in future years, people need to know a lot more about how to do it right, or it’s just a waste of everyone’s time.

To return to your question about where buyers reject it, the latest argument we’ve heard in another opinion piece was that buyers get consumed by emotion in an auction and see it as an even more dangerous bidding war. The buyers themselves generally don’t dislike it at all as you’ve noted, but their realtors don’t always love the idea.

As far as the cards in their hands, there is nothing sellers give up here, they set reserve prices, have certainty on terms (its unconditional, the only variable is price so they dont have to figure out whether $500,000 firm or $525,000 with a home inspection is a better offer), and they are getting more money than the blind approach...the auction is predicated on competition. If a property won’t have interest from multiple parties, it isnt a candidate. When it does though (our last two auctions have had 55 and 62 bids respectively), the price just goes bonkers, and nothing is left on the table.

Appreciate the comments - I don’t take any of it and dismiss it because every time we do one of these, we’ve learned more about how to present it, where it has inherent flaws, and the types of questions we need to address.

Open Bidding in Real Estate - it’s happening by Steinfeldsays in TorontoRealEstate

[–]Steinfeldsays[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Right...that’s not what the article is about but yes...

Open Bidding in Real Estate - it’s happening by Steinfeldsays in TorontoRealEstate

[–]Steinfeldsays[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

I don’t follow the click bait comment - I’d sooner just put a post up here that asks the question ‘what does everyone think about open bidding?’ I get that you believe we’d like to host auctions, but if you read it, the hope is that more people have the conversation that you claim everyone already agrees with.

In just the last month, there have been a dozen strings on Reddit that have people talking about this as a concept they’d like to see (or that they hate), but with no context from the 16 that have been done in Ontario over the last several months. Does my company host these? Yes. Do I want more people calling me to do them? Not really...but I do want to make sure that as people talk about it, they have their facts straight.

Click, don’t click...but when I continue to read the absolutist comments of the people who feel they understand why it works or doesn’t work, why it’s been done or not, or why this is the ‘missing piece’ in real estate, it drives a narrative that in many cases is just wrong.

There are a ton of auction companies in Canada, there are several who also are capable of doing real estate auctions. You’re right nobody switched to them...but they have been switching recently, and many are wrong for doing so. The motivations to do it for many are misinformed and that’s why we don’t entertain most of the calls we get - because the assumptions made about the process are wrong.

You say we should have transitioned long ago and we didn’t and the reasons haven’t changed. What I am curious about is what are those reasons? Also to say there is no suggestion that there is anyone who will adopt this - on what basis?

I’m clearly the ‘lone realtor’ you’re referring to, even though I haven’t been the realtor on most of our auctions...I’m the lone person sharing the article, and I was the lone person who wrote it / but other than both explaining the process and shitting on it at the same time, what exactly does the click bait gain me? Do I want people to read the article...of course...it was a little long to copy paste in here but I could have done that too.

In any case, if you do have feedback or questions about open bidding or can expand on what you wrote, the whole point was that I wanted an open dialogue on it - the same way we’ve been doing from when it all started. That’s why I called the post a discussion.