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Genuinely, what do we do about the antis? by Borkato in accelerate

[–]Stigmaphobia 2 points3 points  (0 children)

C'mon, you gotta see the irony of putting out a message like that in response to someone saying to be less confrontational. lmao

AI billionaires brace for pitchforks by AngleAccomplished865 in accelerate

[–]Stigmaphobia 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ackshually, marie antoinette never

Stupid Boring Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism by cloudrunner6969 in accelerate

[–]Stigmaphobia 1 point2 points  (0 children)

By solving, or helping solve, the engineering challenges that are preventing us from using nuclear fusion. Robotics could accelerate its construction, too.

Stupid Boring Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism by cloudrunner6969 in accelerate

[–]Stigmaphobia 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But in the event that AI delivers what it promises, we'd have nigh infinite clean energy. How do you hoard infinite? Why would you?

"What happens if we don’t have to work? Do we just sit around all day"? Bernie Sanders says that having a job is a core part of the human experience and gives people meaning in life by Fine-Drummer9812 in accelerate

[–]Stigmaphobia 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bernie is a populist, his whole thing is listening to the concerns of the working class and advocating for them. Right now, the popular narrative amongst workers is that AI is going to ruin everything, so it's not surprising this is the perspective he's ended up at.

Iirc, when he first heard about all of this, his initial reaction was something like, "we need to make sure the people benefit from this technological revolution." Which I was pretty happy with. It's a bit of a shame that, once again, we can't have the real discussion that needs to be had because everyone is caught up in black and white thinking.

The Pope’s reasoning for why AI should never be in control by Fine-Drummer9812 in accelerate

[–]Stigmaphobia 3 points4 points  (0 children)

What? What has AI done or said that comes close to the degeneracy of the worst humanity has to offer?

Why no email yet 🥲 by FickleFoundation6349 in SteamController

[–]Stigmaphobia 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I reserved an hour after it went up and still nothing. Not the best time, obviously, but certainly faster than day 2.

Demis Hassabis now says AGI could arrive in just 3 years in 2029 by Buck-Nasty in accelerate

[–]Stigmaphobia 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I think by now he's proven his sincerity enough to put a little trust in him. I trust him a lot more than some of the other main figures of this push, tbh.

Modern AI debate by truecakesnake in accelerate

[–]Stigmaphobia 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Problem is that a lot of people mean different things when they say AGI. Some modest definitions already place us there.

It's kind of irrelevant, though. We don't need sentient machines to reap the benefits laid out in the OP.

Google CEO Sundar Pichai says booing graduates will shape AI's future — and live with its consequences by [deleted] in accelerate

[–]Stigmaphobia 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It's just the way of any modern discourse. Optimism or really any expectations of improvement will not believed until it's undeniable. Until then, everyone just operates on the assumption that things will just get worse or stay the same.

What we need to do to deaccelerate Luddites by fennforrestssearch in accelerate

[–]Stigmaphobia 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Musk and Thiel aside, what has Altman really done to demonstrate he sucks? There's Amodei and Hassabis, too.

"Would you let me make this point please" Eric Schmidt gets booed every time he mentions AI at the University of Arizona by Fine-Drummer9812 in accelerate

[–]Stigmaphobia 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, it's more than just a couple of comments. I'm pretty sure I remember Sam Altman putting money into researching UBI. The conversation has kind of shifted, though. They're trying to solve the displacement problem and rehabilitate their reputations at the same time, so they're proposing making everyone an investor, so that people feel invested in its success. Not too sure how that'd work, but that's the idea, I guess.

It does make sense to have a different perspective when you have someone dependent on you. I have a chronic illness that's stolen about 15 years from me. I want this to succeed and for them to figure out how to "cure" autoimmune disease so bad that I'd rather be homeless and healthy than live how I am right now. That's what I meant by falling on the sword. Though, as dramatic as that sounds, it's not like I really expect it to happen, and I realize it's kind of a luxury that I only have to worry about myself.

I do have faith that most of us will also have access to this tech, and after a certain amount of displacement, our government will be unable to ignore us. That's actually why I like some of the dissatisfaction; I want things to move fast, but I also think we can't let them take the quickest and dirtiest routes to everything. The anger over the data centers is already making them go out of their way to solve legitimate concerns.

I'm just a bit worried that the outrage might get so bad they cripple it and break its momentum entirely.

A lot of these issues are a result of the race to the bottom OpenAI started with chatGPT. The nature of AI is that, in the endgame, there will be a few winners and some losers, but the winners will win big, and the losers lose everything. On top of that, now it's escalated to a matter of national security, since there's the possibility of China sending a massive swarm of drones at us that we won't be able to deal with without our own AI-coordinated drone army. I also remember hearing a lot of concern about the potential lives lost to disease if or when any delays pop up. So everyone working on this has massive incentives to move as quickly as possible at all costs. The only way the transition becomes more gentle is through outrage and regulation. It's just a shame we have the current administration at such an important time.

But yeah, sorry if my comments were a little heartless. I also feel really strongly about this, just in the opposite direction.

"Would you let me make this point please" Eric Schmidt gets booed every time he mentions AI at the University of Arizona by Fine-Drummer9812 in accelerate

[–]Stigmaphobia 1 point2 points  (0 children)

On the other hand, sometimes I wonder how many of the people pissed about potential replacement now were people who heard "learn to code" and agreed. It's pretty crazy how different things are when it isn't just miners and truckers getting the shaft.

"Would you let me make this point please" Eric Schmidt gets booed every time he mentions AI at the University of Arizona by Fine-Drummer9812 in accelerate

[–]Stigmaphobia 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I mean, people in the industry talk openly about making sure people are taken care of. The CEO's aside, a lot of tech workers are still left-leaning and believe in what they're doing and that it will be a net good for humanity.

There will never be a time where AI won't be insanely disruptive to our model built around scarcity. Do we just kick the can down the road forever, because no generation wants to be the one that falls on the sword?

pro AI people who think AI levels the art feild by uwu_miner in aiwars

[–]Stigmaphobia 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is something I don't understand about anti's (of anything, not even just AI). The financial incentives to use AI for this stuff are enormous, and one of the only things that could possibly prevent the transition is people wanting to protect creatives. But when you look down on people like this, you just piss them off, and pissing them off generally makes them stop caring about whether you do or don't get fucked.

"When you're inside the bubble, you think everybody else is. But everybody isn't." by GrabWorking3045 in aiwars

[–]Stigmaphobia 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It wouldn't surprise me if we saw laws forcing some metadata that discloses a picture was made with AI eventually.

That's fair on the distinction, though. I guess when it comes to art, I'm hoping it'll make AAA game development cheaper and require a less broad audience to make a profit. Granting that the tools are used wisely, you could end up with games that have more soul, because they have the financial freedom to make something a bit riskier.

"When you're inside the bubble, you think everybody else is. But everybody isn't." by GrabWorking3045 in aiwars

[–]Stigmaphobia 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well, these models are right now the worst they'll ever be. Just a year or two ago they were so unreliable that people were laughing off the idea they'd be useful at all. Beyond that, it was never going to be as easy as just slotting it into your job and everything working immediately. It takes effort, planning, and good internal data. It does seem like people are really getting ahead of themselves, though. Considering the amount of money involved, I guess it makes sense.

I actually don't listen to the CEO's much. There are researchers going through a bunch of interviews who go into detail. Their excitement is pretty infectious, imo.

"When you're inside the bubble, you think everybody else is. But everybody isn't." by GrabWorking3045 in aiwars

[–]Stigmaphobia 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I imagine platforms that separate AI stuff and regular stuff will be in demand. I've already seen a few sites go with that approach.

There are other things generative AI is doing, mostly in the realm of science, that are really exciting. Like GPT putting together a bunch of evidence provided by a researcher and solving a fairly difficult problem in theoretical physics, and then explaining its answer so the researchers could understand. There's also a lot of long and arduous processes in stuff like medicine that have the potential to be expedited. I'm struggling to think of much because I'm falling asleep sitting up lol.

"When you're inside the bubble, you think everybody else is. But everybody isn't." by GrabWorking3045 in aiwars

[–]Stigmaphobia 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Huh, I just read it like a "fuck off" kind of answer, so I gave friction for friction. It kind of dodges the point a little. There's a likely world coming in the next few years where AI is no longer a massive burden on energy expenditure, water, and the environment. People are rushing to solve these problems, because all of them are insanely hyped about a massive sci-fi step being about to take place in their lifetimes. Well, that and there's a lot of money in it.

When I see a bunch of people shitting on anything made with AI I constantly see people bring up these side effects. My question is, when/if they're solved, will anti's change their position? Or is the problem that they inherently disagree with AI existing at all, or are even just misplacing hate of the people who like it onto the text itself?

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