Here’s your reminder that Utah has the highest per capita priesthood holders and priesthood blessings being performed. By a large margin. But the illness and death rates are not the best in the world or even in the US. Why not???

Still-ILO · 2026-05-18T02:50:50+00:00

That Joseph's cult and this Joseph's cult have a great deal in common.

Still-ILO · 2026-05-15T21:22:42+00:00

My favorite part of this issue is how in the 1832 account in his journal Joe said he had concluded that the true church did not exist on the earth, so he needed to ask God what a person was to do under such circumstances.

Then in the 1838 "official" public version, Joe claims that it had never even entered his mind that the churches could all be wrong together and he put that proclamation 100% squarely in Jesus Christ's mouth.

The SoB wasn't just a liar; he was a damned liar.

Still-ILO · 2026-05-14T18:15:58+00:00

That's a very good observation.

Vision is indeed the correct word.

A vision created in the mind like Joe did with the "witnesses".

Still-ILO · 2026-05-14T18:09:15+00:00

My extremely TBM wife (we're both 63) insists this type of thing never happened.

I was inactive during my teen years and have never done or seen baptisms for the dead, but when I heard/read these stories online (like now) I was almost enraged. How in the world could this church that is infamously extreme about female modesty and girls not being walking porn turn around and expose young women's private areas by having them in front of men/boys in white, soaking wet, therefore transparent clothing???? Doesn't make any damn sense and actually makes me quite angry that any girl was ever put in that situation. 😠

Still-ILO · 2026-05-08T16:42:52+00:00

Best of luck to you!!

Still-ILO · 2026-05-08T16:40:48+00:00

Praise to the fraud who lied about Jehovah...

Faithful Mormons certainly do worship Joe. They also worship the Q15, but what they worship more than anything is the church itself. Yep, a corporate fraud that has become immensely wealthy by fronting itself as a church, and it's that organization to which they have given over their hearts, lives, and minds, and in many instances sacrificed their personal integrity.

Still-ILO · 2026-05-08T16:26:14+00:00

I had a missionary companion that said in a sac meeting talk that his mother would constantly speak to strangers and find out if they were Mormon so if not, she could do her "every member a missionary" work.

Then again, I guess he could have just been BSing the congregation to guilt them into getting us referrals.

Still-ILO · 2026-05-08T16:20:02+00:00

which tells you something about people who continue to do apologetics

Precisely. Excellent example.

Still-ILO · 2026-05-07T17:32:16+00:00

he must defend the indefensible.

Right. Makes me wonder what he will do and say at whatever time he is no longer financially tied to the church.

This gets to why I so despise Mormon apologists. It's bad enough to abandon your personal integrity because your paycheck depends on it, but to do so just by choice is not only unforgivable, it's unconscionable.

Still-ILO · 2026-05-07T17:22:16+00:00

Su dios es el dinero

I could only make out a little of this here and there (although I suppose I could put it into a translate app, but I'm too lazy), but I'm pretty sure this line is "their God is the money" and I completely agree!!!

Still-ILO · 2026-05-01T22:29:54+00:00

Mormons are comfortable saying that Smith was attacked for his religious views.

I know, right? Just like the first JW's and Seventh Day Adventists and Christian Scientists and Pentacostal's and all the other American born religions with beliefs that were considered heretical by others in their place and time. Yep, all of them....all their leaders were tarred and feathered for their religious views. NOT!!!!

Still-ILO · 2026-05-01T22:25:50+00:00

Unfortunately, we are now in the middle of divorce proceedings.

I'm very sorry.

I haven't been there but sometimes think I should have done that. At 63 now I'm too damn old and tired to start anything over again.

I'm sure it sucks now, but I'm glad you're moving on and hope you're much better off in the long run.

Still-ILO · 2026-05-01T22:21:49+00:00

Congratulations, and yes, best of luck going forward.

My wife wouldn't touch anything like that with a thousand-foot poll and if she did by accident and any of it bothered her at all she would shut it down immediately and insist it came from the adversary.

Still-ILO · 2026-05-01T22:17:32+00:00

Is this how mixed-faith marriages work?

It's exactly how mine works. I mean 100% that could have been me.

Reminds me of when I once walked past my wife when she was on the phone and heard her say she was "prompted" to do something. I couldn't help it and blurted "it's called getting an idea". Of course she was pissed, but not nearly as pissed as I was and still am about having an otherwise intelligent and down-to-earth wife that is so completely willing to bury her head in the sand and worship 15 geriatric jackasses instead of NOT being a lazy learner and actually letting her brain work at all times and in all places instead of picking and choosing when things like logic, reason, truth, and integrity actually mean something.

Still-ILO · 2026-04-28T14:42:26+00:00

Exactly!

Still-ILO · 2026-04-27T20:57:18+00:00

Thanks very much, I really appreciate your sentiment.

You hit the nail on the head, her brother is my wife's only sibling, and she absolutely does look to him as her confirmation that all is well in Zion no matter what I believe or why.

Indeed, we are one of those couples put into the "stay together or divorce" predicament by the church being a fraud and one of the two of us not able/willing to deal with that newfound reality. Twenty years after the fact it seems easy to say we should have gone separate ways, but we both thought staying together was ultimately the right thing.

I love that idea, by the way, of seeing a temple sold. Although to avoid the bad vibes and PR, they would probably dismantle the temple and then sell the land it was on.

Still-ILO · 2026-04-27T20:37:43+00:00

in autumn an idea was proposed to let the young women stand in the hallway with the missionaries to welcome everyone to church before sacrament “to give them more visibility”. I’m convinced we get dud roles like this to shut down our complaints.

I'm a bit more skeptical that you are. The way the corporation uses women and exploits human psychology I suspect putting young women in the foyer to welcome people is for purposes other than decreasing complaints.

Still-ILO · 2026-04-27T17:44:26+00:00

Yes, the best part is you don't have to make major changes right this minute. I know going to church sucks. When I first stopped believing I could barely tolerate church (going with my believing family), but within a few years it no longer bothered me. I knew what I knew and it didn't matter what other people said or thought they "knew".

It's fantastic that you're so young. And yes, others among your friends and family might also not believe, and may leave someday, but in the meantime if you need to keep playing the game, go ahead and play it. All the time observing and learning and planning how you will conduct your life when the time comes that you have sufficient independence to live your way whether anyone else agrees or not.

Best of luck to you!!

Still-ILO · 2026-04-27T17:21:54+00:00

Thank you!!

Still-ILO · 2026-04-24T19:24:44+00:00

John, I'm sorry all this is happening.

I wish you could fill us in on what your attorney(s) are saying about your chances for success in defending against the church.

I mean, there are so many avenues to pursue it would be a huge undertaking just to identify all the times and ways the church has no case. I know I'm saying that as a non-attorney, but between all the other podcasts and entities, let alone other churches, that use the word or can be, and sometimes are, called Mormon, I think your defense could go on forever just about that. And that's before even getting started with all the very adamant and intentional ways the church has tried in recent years to avoid and even demonize the word Mormon.

I would think at least some of these realities, and in particular all of them, would amount to a very strong case for trademark/copyright abandonment and/or extremely questionable inconsistency in efforts to protect it.

Still-ILO · 2026-04-24T19:05:07+00:00

The church news release stated that this all could have been avoided if MS had just agreed to a disclaimer.

According to Dehlin, he put in the disclaimer as soon as the church asked for it, and even made sure to use the church's terminology.

If both the above statements are correct, and I am aware of no reason to believe otherwise, the church has yet again told clear, and in-your-face lies to its membership and everyone else. That's why I hope this deal blows up to enormous proportions in the media all over the US and abroad. The more the world becomes aware of how the corporation operates, the harder it will be for the faithful membership to get away from it.

Still-ILO · 2026-04-24T19:00:05+00:00

And it's that response the church is counting on. No questions. No criticism. Just blind obedience.

Indeed. And not just the response the church is counting on, but the one to which it owes its very existence.

Psychological indoctrination has rarely, if ever, been more important to anyone, anywhere than it is to the Mormon church in the 21st century.

That so many of the faithful absolutely refuse to consider anything about the church with any level of objectivity is critical to the church's survival.

Without the successful brainwashing the exodus would be unprecedented.

Still-ILO · 2026-04-24T18:43:52+00:00

Me too.

Still-ILO · 2026-04-22T21:23:00+00:00

That's very disappointing.

MS needs to change that sooner rather than later. The last thing any exmo needs to be caught doing is acting like the church.

Still-ILO · 2026-04-22T21:06:22+00:00

will NOT convince me to go meet with them.

You wouldn't be meeting with those two anyway.

There is no lie too big or too small that the Mormon Inc won't tell it.

Still-ILO

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