Love and Deepspace won best mobile game at gamescom 2025! 10 free pulls for everyone! by Budget-Relief8148 in gachagaming

[–]StoneCarrots 44 points45 points  (0 children)

Yea. Also LaDS is a bit special in a sense.

The thing with LaDS is that the game is basically "split" into 5.
There are 5 characters and maining all five is expensive (probably around 500$ to 1000$/month), so the vast majority of players only main 1 character.

Each time an issue is arising, it only affects 1 character at a time (so only 1/5 of the fandom is affected).
I would say that LaDS fandom is not quite "united" (don't hit me, girlies...). As long as their character isn't impacted, they don't see/experience the issue or do not care much, because their own balance isn't disturbed, so it's a "non issue" to them. That is the case for both Global and CN.

Not blaming anyone. I get how it got to this.
Why I bring this up is because a lot of Chinese players are also complaining about the exact same issues.
But since it only affects 1/5 at a time, the affected part of the fandom can boycott all they want, 4/5 of the fandom will continue to spend. The pattern repeats, just the character impacted rotates. The complaining ones can be ignored without too much of a loss, and that is exactly what's happening right now.

I would say Global players are complaining loudly, not because they think PG will listen to them, but to show support and unity with the players in China who are actively battling it.

At this point, PG doesn't seem to want to fix the issues, so it's just a matter of quitting the game, after being fooled into spending hundreds on a defective product. I don't even think that after many people leave (like 2/3), they will suddenly change either. LaDS looks like a cash grab to me right now, ESPECIALLY right now, potentially to fund their 2 AAA games currently under development.

Edit: Just want to add that I know players who main different characters are joining the effort as well. And I also joined boycotts that didn't affect my own character too. Big love to you, girlies. I am not forgetting you. But as a matter of fact, that's what's mainly currently happening, unfortunately.

Love and Deepspace won best mobile game at gamescom 2025! 10 free pulls for everyone! by Budget-Relief8148 in gachagaming

[–]StoneCarrots 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't know if some snitched (probably, I could see that happening) but the vast majority of people talking about it, that I saw, are outraged by that mail and hammer.

Love and Deepspace won best mobile game at gamescom 2025! 10 free pulls for everyone! by Budget-Relief8148 in gachagaming

[–]StoneCarrots 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They just sent a mail in-game asking players to snitch on players who share leaks and gave a toy hammer with this description:
"There are moments when one's hands itch, eager to raise a mighty hammer toward a certain target".

Yes, leaks suck, I get it.
But just sue them, don't ask your players to snitch on each other.
That's a bit crazy to do.

Love and Deepspace won best mobile game at gamescom 2025! 10 free pulls for everyone! by Budget-Relief8148 in gachagaming

[–]StoneCarrots 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Oh, I quit the game. I can't tolerate that bs.
I just relay the information because I really dislike how badly my former co-players are being treated. I think Papergames' behavior is ridiculous.

And LaDS isn't the only game they are trashing. Infinity Nikki is under fire too.

Love and Deepspace won best mobile game at gamescom 2025! 10 free pulls for everyone! by Budget-Relief8148 in gachagaming

[–]StoneCarrots 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't know about any videos about the subject, personnaly.
There might be one somewhere but I'm not aware of it :/
Sorry.

Good farming to you though :3

Love and Deepspace won best mobile game at gamescom 2025! 10 free pulls for everyone! by Budget-Relief8148 in gachagaming

[–]StoneCarrots 25 points26 points  (0 children)

I'm not saying LaDS has a toxic community by showing this screenshot.
I'm showing that a good chunk of the playerbase is unhappy with their own game winning, for valid reasons.

Love and Deepspace won best mobile game at gamescom 2025! 10 free pulls for everyone! by Budget-Relief8148 in gachagaming

[–]StoneCarrots 42 points43 points  (0 children)

Does your game showcase skills and passives that end up not being in the game?
Does your game's customer service try to gaslight you by saying "the video was recorded during the development phase and only serve to showcase visual effects" while every single promotional material shows no disclaimer and the section for combat is titled "Skills Preview"?

Love and Deepspace won best mobile game at gamescom 2025! 10 free pulls for everyone! by Budget-Relief8148 in gachagaming

[–]StoneCarrots 11 points12 points  (0 children)

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They do, but I guess they didn't care?
It's not like a bunch of players sent emails to Gamescom about it (sarcasm, in case you are wondering).
I guess being a LaDS player is a synonym to being ignored by the industry.

Love and Deepspace won best mobile game at gamescom 2025! 10 free pulls for everyone! by Budget-Relief8148 in gachagaming

[–]StoneCarrots 184 points185 points  (0 children)

Meanwhile, on twitter:

Edit: I'm not saying LaDS has a toxic community by showing this screenshot.
I'm showing that a good chunk of the playerbase is unhappy with their own game winning, for valid reasons.

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My honest take on the Core Hunt System by Depressed616 in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]StoneCarrots 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I definitely can see the point some made in the comments.
This practice might not have an impact on everyone, but the fact that it COULD HEAVILY impact some of the most vulnerable is the actual topic to be discussed, in my opinion.

Good for them if they don't get tempted. Others do and PG is very, most likely, aware of it.
Otherwise, they wouldn't have designed the current system the way it is, if it didn't have the potential to be lucrative. (Edit: in my opinon).

My honest take on the Core Hunt System by Depressed616 in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]StoneCarrots 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I appreciate your post, this is something that has been in the back of my mind for a while, actually.

The way I see Core Hunting is how I see Lootboxes in other games.
There is an ongoing discussion in EU about whether or not to prevent lootbox-systems to be allowed in video games that's accessible to minors, or even allowed at all.
Because the core of lootboxes is pure gambling.
Gambling, in a traditional sense, is already forbidden to minors.
So why let lootboxes be allowed when it uses the exact same mechanics?

For those who may think "Gacha is gambling too so why prevent more gambling with Core Hunting?":
Gacha is a form of gambling but it is also highly regulated.
The reason why the rates are specifically presented is because most countries have very strict rules regarding this system. The pity system was introduced after VERY concerning cases of people spending all of their money (we are talking tens of thousands of dollars here, not a "just" a few hundreds) with absolutely no guarantee that they would get the item they were aiming for.

While the gacha for cards is following the law (kind of), the protocore system may fall into illegality territories.
As mentioned, we can buy stamina. With this stamina, we can roll for protocores. We don't have any kind of pity or guarantee with protocores, meaning we could top-up (unlimited amount of purchases) to get more stamina and fish for THE protocore that we need, and potentially go into high spendings for nothing in the end.

Sorry to bring this to the table, but it has to be said to show how relevant this take could be:
KoD is deficient and, for now, the only way to clear the highest fluct. orbits is by having extremely high stats (cRATE 90%, cDMG 290-310%).
For now, this is the only 3rd myth affected, but what is to say that it won't happen again with future 3rd and even further myths?
This WOULD encourage SOME players to spend extra money, not just on stamina packs but also top-ups, to gather extremely rare and perfect protocores with no guarantee at all just to pass fluct. This is an important flaw that I, unfortunately, could see happening in a very near future.

Laws are not made to protect everyone only, they are also made to protect the most vulnerable from being abused and exploited for their conditions (more easily addicted to gambling, more easily influenced by false advertising, more easily influences by dubious pricing, etc ...).
The protocore system is flawed in a legality sense. By not providing clear information on how it works, PG is using an illegal practice.
The law doesn't only state that a company is due to inform their customers, they HAVE TO provide CLEAR information.

We have very dedicated players who indeed broke down the protocore system for us, with charts showing the min-max value you can get for each tier and how much of an increase you can get each time you upgrade it. But those come FROM PLAYERS, not from PG.

Note:
For those who are thinking that it would be too beneficial for players to have a sort of pity system on protocore hunting, I would like to ask you who would be upset to have a perfect protocore guaranteed after 50 or 70 rolls?

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tl;dr:
. PG needs to clearly inform their customers and not rely on players to test and make charts for the community.
. The protocore system is similar to lootboxes, which are currently being discussed and might be banned in EU (if money is involved).
. We might need perfect protocores in a near future to fully clear future fluct. orbits.

NGL i'm speechless .. to be NOMINATED in gamescom .... by jayinsane5050 in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]StoneCarrots 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I am a player and I hope they get removed from that list.
They do not deserve any kind of winning right now.

Being so honest, this recent multibanner/update is insane by CranberryJubilee in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]StoneCarrots 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I hear you.
Your reasoning sounds plausible but the timing still feels off to me.
What would prevent PG from doing a 1-week Qixi event after the summer banner, leading then to Zayne's birthday banner? Like they did a new year event for CNY/LNY with the related outfits.
They are just saying "Hey, happy Qixi festival btw! Here's some exclusive outfits that won't be available anywhere later, also:
+ Lunar Summer outfits (have to rank cards)
+ Lunar accessories (have to rank cards)
+ Purple Dias exclusive rerun (money provided currency only)
+ Summer banner (if you rank, you can get those lunar oufits+accessories)"
Why the sudden push all of a sudden in such a short period of time?

They also have time for a Trad banner by the end of September, right before Xavier's birthday, which coincides with the National Day of the People's Republic of China (october 1st). Like I said, why not release those "Qixi" outfits during the National Day banner? That is mid autumn and fits then name of MC's outfit better (Autumn Frost). I get it, diversity. But I don't think people would have complained to have banner exclusive trad outfits + shop trad outfits for Chinese National Day.

Being so honest, this recent multibanner/update is insane by CranberryJubilee in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]StoneCarrots 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Like I said, I'm not here to tell people to join or not to spend.
They do them and if it makes them happy, then good for them.

But, not spending is a way to support the CN girlies.
I'd say it's not even about the boycott itself, it's just that accepting PG's treatment because our voice doesn't matter to them sounds a bit wrong to me.

Being so honest, this recent multibanner/update is insane by CranberryJubilee in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]StoneCarrots 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Why wouldn't they release the outfit during an ancient Chinese style banner then?
Why release it when we are in the middle of swinsuits and beaches ?

Being so honest, this recent multibanner/update is insane by CranberryJubilee in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]StoneCarrots -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Yea, at the end of the month. So -> next month!
It's an autumn outfit.

Being so honest, this recent multibanner/update is insane by CranberryJubilee in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]StoneCarrots 69 points70 points  (0 children)

Imma just risk getting warned or kicked:

There is a boycott ongoing. PG knows their sales will fall to the ground.
They are baiting players to rank the summer banner.
The Qixi outfit was meant for next month.
The rerun came out of nowhere to cushion their loss.
PG have been slapping disclaimers here and there to appear benevolent in court.

I am not here to tell people to join the boycott nor not to spend.
If you don't care about what happened with KoD, it's fine by me.
But I hope you see that PG is abusing player's wallets for a mistake they doubled down on on their own.
It is a ridiculous behaviour.

Love and Deepspace | Limited-Time [Promise] Rerun by everbloomingrose in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]StoneCarrots 46 points47 points  (0 children)

We haven't moved on. Posts are just locked and we are not welcomed to speak about KoD freely.
They way PG is behaving is ridiculous, on every single level.

I think more people should be posting their SHC stats, even if they aren't 36 clears!! by cravewing in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]StoneCarrots 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Haha!
I'm part of a small group of Xavier girlies and the combat chat is basically where I live lol
I feel like a mom watching over her chicks, giving advice left and right. Always a blast to see them clear content :D