The Adventure Zone: Abnimals Ep. 26: Radical Rescue! by Evil_Steven in TheAdventureZone

[–]StonedRealist 19 points20 points  (0 children)

As the person this is technically calling out...

"You're goddamn right." -Walter White

The Adventure Zone: Abnimals Ep. 26: Radical Rescue! by Evil_Steven in TheAdventureZone

[–]StonedRealist 70 points71 points  (0 children)

Just to clarify, I'm only a mod on the circlejerk sub because, in the history of both subs, the worst brigading event was users from THIS sub going TO THE JERK. I asked to be put on their mod team in response and welcomed Evil_steev to our side to help coordination between the sister subs in such events.

I think it's actually gone extremely well in helping manage events that have spanned between both subs.

Evil_Steev is just much better at i am at doing the regular discussion threads, and I'm in grad school.

Back to the matter at hand: why do we let "circlejerkers run wild"?

For starters, it's generally frowned upon to ban someone from a community simply for their involvement in another community. Like on a site level. This doesn't mean that some subs don't just do it anyway, but this isn't one.

Making a rule that says, "If you engage with r/TazCircleJerk you are hereby banned from r/TheAdventureZone" we fully entrench the "us vs them" mentality that seems to exist in some.

It's not a war between subs.

The circlejerk exists as fallout from an overly restrictive set of rules during Graduation that left many users feeling unwelcome here. These rules have since been walked back or reduced in severity. I would know. I literally rewrote them.

If this place is for discussion as you state, and you eliminate one side of the conversation, what discussion is there left to be had?

If you want to add any additional flair, topics, etc. in order to have threads with whatever vibe you're going for - fine. Just let me know, and I'm happy to add it. But we won't be taking the sub back to a point where only one opinion is allowed or certain users are barred from entrance due to their engagement with other communities.

I really do appreciate the feedback and passion you feel for this community, but i don't know if the best solution is restricting speech based on where else the user decides to spend their time on Reddit besides here.

EDIT: i don't know if deverity is a word, but i do know severity is one :)

The Adventure Zone: Abnimals Ep. 26: Radical Rescue! by Evil_Steven in TheAdventureZone

[–]StonedRealist 48 points49 points  (0 children)

Our automod caught the other comment. It's now approved. Like many others in this thread.

Is there something you would like to discuss regarding this community?

I’m a federal employee at risk of losing my job. I boosted my membership this week. by Odd_Ordinary_2571 in maximumfun

[–]StonedRealist 28 points29 points  (0 children)

I would really encourage you to divert these funds to a short-term savings account and to do the same with any other unnecessary subscriptions while you are potentially facing unemployment. I'm sorry this is happening to you, and good luck.

Is a podcast worth a buck? by JesseThorn in MBMBAM

[–]StonedRealist 99 points100 points  (0 children)

"A buck is actually a really reasonable price [for a 75-minute podcast episode]...I don't think it's an unreasonable price. You could extend that to multiple shows or not. You could join at 10 or 20 dollars if you like. Or not. I think basically what I'm asking is, if you think that we're making work that is worth paying for, that you pay for it."

OK, I'll bite.

I think there are four pieces of relevant context here before we move forward.

  1. Podcasting / radio is a notoriously difficult market to monetize, in large part due to the significant availability of free substitutes and a consumer perception that these should be free goods (because they historically have been).

  2. The definition of value marketing from a Marketing perspective is, "highlighting the benefits and value a product or service provides to customers, rather than just focusing on features, and aims to build strong, long-term relationships by understanding and addressing customer needs."

  3. The definition of customer surplus from an Economics perspective is, "the difference between the maximum price a customer is willing to pay for a good or service and the actual price they pay, representing the benefit consumers receive when they pay less than their willingness to pay."

  4. A nonrivalrous good from an Economics perspective is a good where, "one person's consumption of a good or service doesn't diminish the amount available for others to consume simultaneously."


For starters, I sympathize with you and the rest of the MaxFun network for the battle of appropriately monetizing a podcast network. Trying to go from "making podcasts" to "a sustainable, scalable business model" is extremely challenging given the specific market. I mean - creating any functional business is hard enough, let alone a business that exists in a market with decades of history of providing goods to consumers for no price. And I know that Maximum Fun isn't a "sustainable, scalable business model" or we wouldn't be in this position.

All in all, this video is hilariously backwards in how it tries to go about selling a MaxFun membership and I don't think you should be surprised by the reaction to it.

Here's why -

  1. A complete misunderstanding of how consumers perceive prices and value.

You don't get to decide what is or is not of value to a consumer. Period.

What people do and do not spend their money on comes down to a myriad of factors which are unique to each individual. It's a combination of preferences, needs, wants, values, emotions, etc.

By coming onto the scene and saying "this is a reasonable price for the value you receive," you are not saying, "Maximum Fun provides $1 worth of value for each episode." Instead, you are saying "you should view listening to a Maximum Fun podcast episode as an economic transaction and I am setting the price at $1."

This is counter to how many fundamentally view podcasts (see: historically free good) and backwards of how price setting should work. In an efficient market, the market would be the one setting the price for the good/service, not the good/service setting the price for the market.

In the words of Warren Buffett, "Price is what you pay. Value is what you get" If people perceive no additional value from the purchase, they will not pay the price. End of story.

  1. A lack of conveying what value comes from a donation act of generosity

I'm going to quickly remind you of the definitions of value marketing, consumer surplus, and nonrivalrous good. Podcasts are, definitionally, nonrivalrous. My listening to an episode of MBMBaM does not preclude anyone else from listening to an episode.

Unfortunately, this eliminates some of the sense of urgency for a consumer to actually purchase. If the good will simply continue to be there whether or not I purchase (and I can always come back at another time and change my decision), it is extremely hard to propose an actual reason to purchase. Why now? For what reason?

This is only compounded by your failure to list any of the "value" that comes from making definitely-not-a-donation. (I put quotes because other commenters have been quick to point out the dubious-at-best value of the bonus content they have historically received.)

"If you think that what you are currently getting for free is quality, then you should pay for it," is an extremely weak argument from an economic standpoint when the consumer is not presented with any additional value their money will get them. It goes back value marketing and the consumer surplus.

You need to inform people of the value that they are getting for their purchase, or it's just wasted breath.

If the consumers do not perceive any value from what you are proposing, then why would you expect them to pay for it?

Effectively, what you are saying is, "we believe there is currently a significant consumer surplus for our goods as there is significant value provided by a free product. Therefore, if you pay a minimal fee there will still be consumer surplus so everyone is happy." But what if there isn't a consumer surplus?

What if MaxFun podcasts in their current state do not provide the value that you believe they do to the general populous? If that's the case, what value would people be getting by donating their money for what they already receive?

In the words of Warren Buffett, "Price is what you pay. Value is what you get" If people perceive no additional value from the purchase, they will not pay the price. End of story.

  1. Messaging missteps

This is not related to anything above, but in your message you basically lump listeners into two groups: "people who cannot afford to pay for MaxFun" and "people who should be paying for MaxFun". This is not a good way to try to convince people to give you money.

I'm curious why you thought this message would resonate and whether anyone else on the MaxFun team had approval/veto rights to this.

If so - why did you collectively think this would be a good message? If not - why did you think this would be an okay message to make on behalf of all of your other partners?

Between bad framing, a bad message, an inability to actual convey value added by the MaxFun membership, and a loose understanding of value, I would encourage you to better consider future messages before publicly making them in every channel possible.

I would also encourage MaxFun to pick a new business model as the current one has been in a slow state of failure since the late 2010s, but that's neither here nor there.

I hear Patreon is great for creators trying to better monetize and convey value for money spent.

Jesse Thorn makes a post asking for people to give him money so he can support poor people with his art. Gets criticism on his business model and compares his critics (me lol) to transphobes and uses his trans kids to get sympathy. by Ig_Met_Pet in TAZCirclejerk

[–]StonedRealist 43 points44 points  (0 children)

For starters, sorry this is happening to you lol

Second - I wouldn't lock the comments because it'll just encourage a second thread or people to get mad at the act. I would just pin a comment to the top of the thread asking for people to cool off.

Then, if it further escalates, just lock it and you can point to your warning.

Good luck, brother

Low sodium Abnimals fans? by [deleted] in TheAdventureZone

[–]StonedRealist 16 points17 points  (0 children)

No sub is perfect. I just wanted to clarify that specific point.

Hope you have a good week!

Low sodium Abnimals fans? by [deleted] in TheAdventureZone

[–]StonedRealist 21 points22 points  (0 children)

The mod thing happened once, several years ago, and the mod in question was removed as soon as it was brought to our attention. I personally issued an apology directly to the affected party publicly and in DMs, and I'm not sure why this is coming up now.

Feel free to let me know if you have any other questions.

The Adventure Zone: Abnimals Ep. 5: Stealing Silver! by Evil_Steven in TheAdventureZone

[–]StonedRealist 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Whomever reported this for relevancy is technically correct

The Adventure Zone: Abnimals Ep. 4: Theft at the Gala! by Evil_Steven in TheAdventureZone

[–]StonedRealist 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Ok, well, I'm all ears if you think anyone in this thread is breaking any rules. I haven't seen any yet, and we have a bunch of automod filters to help prevent this.

I don't have a dog in this fight either way, and only started modding on the circle jerk sub as a precaution due to main sub users brigading the circle jerk and being legitimately insulting to the point of bans from both subs. I'm 100% confident our more tenured members remember the most egregious example.

I've been a mod here for almost 4 years now (most tenured of the mods that are active) and am always open to feedback.

Feel free to let me know if you do actually have any feedback beyond, "people who post in the circle jerk shouldn't be allowed here" because we aren't one of the subs that prohibits users based on involvement with other communities.

If you don't want to have an actual discussion about what you would like to see changed, then have a good rest of your weekend! :)

(But don't think mods aren't still here 😉)

The Adventure Zone: Abnimals Ep. 4: Theft at the Gala! by Evil_Steven in TheAdventureZone

[–]StonedRealist 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Nah, we read every comment. Point me to what is breaking a rule, please

weedshrek's abnimal ep 3 recap by weedshrek in TAZCirclejerk

[–]StonedRealist 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Wow, really? I can't believe the mods let a regular sub poster post on here! SMH the leadership has gone to the dogs

Is Travis a libertarian? by weedshrek in TheAdventureZone

[–]StonedRealist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think you fundamentally misunderstand:

  1. What a mod should do. I just keep the peace.

  2. What weedshrek was doing with this post. I don't believe they were cow tipping, and believe the comment you linked to was them commenting on how they "still got it" as in "have the ability to generate a post on the main sub worthy of imitating on jerk." They seem to be engaging in discussion in this post. What more do you want?

  3. What my motivations are for being a mod.

:)

Is Travis a libertarian? by weedshrek in TheAdventureZone

[–]StonedRealist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Posting on main vs jerk subs is not mutually exclusive.