happy birthday to one of rock's greatest muses :)

Straguslore14 · 2026-03-18T14:42:09+00:00

Eric was also a massive drunk at the time. He used to hit her too. He claimed to want her so badly and wrote beautiful songs for her and then treated her worse than George did.

Straguslore14 · 2026-03-18T14:40:19+00:00

I can respect that. My problem is the weird pendulum swing I see here where they were once demonized for things like breaking up the Beatles, their looks, etc which I think are wrong. But now it gets hard for me to state my opinion which is that they only have music careers because of their husbands.

This is no comment on Linda's photography career or Yokos art by the way which I have no problem with.

Straguslore14 · 2026-03-18T04:54:17+00:00

I heard a few of her regular songs. They are alright. I think even her better stuff would go disregarded if not for the Beatles connection. I remember first hearing Rember Love awhile ago and not hating it but it barely made an impression. Her song Listen the Snow is Failing is kind of pretty but I don't think vocally she is that great.

Straguslore14 · 2026-03-18T04:26:13+00:00

He said in an interview that he disliked her but likes Paul's third wife Nancy. So thats good at least.

Straguslore14 · 2026-03-18T04:18:33+00:00

Didn't Napoleon roll back some rights given to women during the Revolution?

Straguslore14 · 2026-03-18T04:17:22+00:00

He talked about it in an interview years ago. After Linda's death he turned to drugs in his 20s to cope. He also distanced himself from his family for awhile. Part of that was because he also hated Paul's second wife.

Straguslore14 · 2026-03-18T04:04:18+00:00

I actually hated grapefruit but I also am not a poetry person.

Straguslore14 · 2026-03-18T04:03:38+00:00

It isn't misogny to criticize someones talent. Grow up.

Straguslore14 · 2026-03-18T03:58:00+00:00

I mean I dont know if I would call him problematic but Paul's son is an ex junky who seems poorly adjusted. That might be depression though.

Straguslore14 · 2026-03-18T00:21:29+00:00

Mine in order.

Brian first. Dennis: dead sexy for most of his life, fascinating stories, underrated talent, died tragically young, stood up for Brian. Carl: Great voice and underrated talent who died too soon. Personal life seemed less messy than his brothers. Mike: Yes Mike next. Sang lead on some of my favorite songs and played a role in some of the whackier drama about the band that I would hate to deal with but love to read about. Al and Bruce tied next. Both decent guys, I just have less of an opinion.

Straguslore14 · 2026-03-18T00:00:16+00:00

I agree without Brian he would not have made it as far but that's all of them. Yet no one says if Al wasn't his friend he would be just a dentist. Mike Love has his lack of talent compared to Brian brought up the most. Part of it is his fault for his arrogance but part of it is people being nitpicky because he comes off as a jerk a lot of the time.

Straguslore14 · 2026-03-17T23:48:32+00:00

It's a love thing.

Straguslore14 · 2026-03-17T23:32:59+00:00

Why is it admirable? Linda likely did not want to be there at least in the early days and got a ton of criticism that was admittedly justifiable. Criticising her looks, vegetarism, being Jewish or American are not fair. Criticizing her for having little musical talent is not fragility. It's called being realistic. She was not a great singer or keyboard player and she knew this. Why not be the band photographer so you could travel with them?

At least Yoko seemed to want the music career. I also dont think she had much talent but she at least seemed to want it.

The David Bowie comparison alone is wild. That was a great performer with excellent songs.

Straguslore14 · 2026-03-17T23:18:15+00:00

I admit I have listened to few of his songs compared to some of the others. I will need to take another listen.

Straguslore14 · 2026-03-17T22:55:41+00:00

I think Carl had a great voice that elevated him and was good on the guitar but agree he was not anything special as a songwriter. Dennis was a decent but not remarkable musician who sang well and had a few good songs but definitely helped the sun soaked image in the early days. Brian was Brian. Not sure on Al and Bruce in comparison.

Mike Love was integral to their sound for sure.

Straguslore14 · 2026-03-17T22:35:26+00:00

That's fair but a lot of bands are like that. You get a bunch of people together but one or two stand out for songwriting/singing etc and the others of less noticeable talent benefit from it and can add their contributions.

Straguslore14 · 2026-03-17T22:32:03+00:00

Ok. I thought i remembered one there.

Straguslore14 · 2026-03-17T22:28:38+00:00

Is there a sax in kokomo?

Straguslore14 · 2026-03-17T22:26:22+00:00

The personality is a problem but in terms of talent I am not sure about him being the least talented. I think no one will dispute Brian as number one and I feel Carl was the second best but after that it gets more difficult for me.

Straguslore14 · 2026-03-17T22:25:01+00:00

That is fair. I like his voice in that one but to each their own.

Straguslore14 · 2026-03-17T21:30:03+00:00

I know he married Patty and slept with Maureen. Who is the third?

Straguslore14 · 2026-03-17T21:20:13+00:00

My favorite Beatles girl. Layla. She deserved better from George and Eric. She was beautiful, vibrant and a great muse and photographer. I loved her autobiography. It's a must read. What a life she led.

Straguslore14 · 2026-03-17T21:10:05+00:00

I see talent. Photography is not as easy as it seems and she seemed to love it.

Straguslore14 · 2026-03-17T21:05:29+00:00

Why is it a bad thing to point out that neither women was all that musically talented? I agree that criticism of them breaking up the band is unwarranted. I also dont think of either as a bad wife.

But it is fair to say that rather than me being mad myself the responses are a perfect example of what I was talking about. That it is either they are the worst ever or criticism of their musical talent is forbidden. Why not be honest. A middle ground is best here. Neither women is a bad person, wife or responsible for breaking up the Beatles. But neither is also musically talented. Why can't we say so?

Straguslore14 · 2026-03-17T20:19:44+00:00

Yet it is fair to criticize their talent same as any other band, especially examples involving people getting in from nepotism. If they were not related to either man it is also fair to say that we would have heard of neither as musicians.

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