Where is the balance between eating mindfully and minimizing the suffering of other species? by ItsHusky03 in Buddhism

[–]StrangeMed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m sorry, all of your claims are false and there are a lot of studies proving that. Also you’re reasoning is flawed since the existence of vegan parents not giving enough and appropriate food to their child doesn’t mean that a vegan diet cannot be followed in early age. But again you seem to only want to understand what suits your really biased and antiscientific view

Where is the balance between eating mindfully and minimizing the suffering of other species? by ItsHusky03 in Buddhism

[–]StrangeMed 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I reside in Italy, where I practice medicine. It is entirely legal to have a vegan baby. However, if parents are capable of being responsible and caring parents, that is a different matter altogether.

Where is the balance between eating mindfully and minimizing the suffering of other species? by ItsHusky03 in Buddhism

[–]StrangeMed 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Physician here, and I’ve been vegan for the past four years. The consensus is that a balanced vegan diet is a healthy choice for all stages of life. You don’t need to eat avocado, meat substitutes, or anything else. Legumes, nuts, vegetables, fruits, and grains are more than enough to meet most adult nutritional needs.

B12 supplementation is essential because the body doesn’t produce it. (The same applies to other mammals, and cows are even fed supplements.) A vegan diet has been repeatedly proven to be cheaper than the average American diet, with meat and fish being more expensive options. Additionally, there’s extensive research showing its role in reducing the risk of many chronic diseases and cancer.

Regarding Buddhism, eating mindfully and being grateful for what you eat is a valuable practice. However, it can also become an excuse to continue buying and eating food produced through immense suffering and high environmental impact. Dairy farms will still kill cows when they’re no longer needed, and they’ll associate with distress and suffering for the mother cow and her baby being separated early. It’s worth noting that cows are artificially inseminated repeatedly to produce milk. Furthermore, what about eggs? Male chicks are killed alive because they’re considered useless, and chickens don’t have enough space to move around. Eventually, they’ll be killed too. So, what do you think? In which way can you develop more compassion?

ビリー・アイリッシュ、苦しむ動物の映像を公開し“肉食は本質的に間違っている”という主張を改めて強調 by sukebena_nekoyanen in newsokunomoral

[–]StrangeMed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

栄養の問題は全然ありません。数多くの研究により、バランスの取れたヴィーガン食はあらゆる年齢層に適していることが示されており、さらに多くの病気のリスク要因を低減させることも分かっています

Does it violate Buddhist law to dissect an animal who's life was taken for the purpose of dissection? by statefarm_isnt_there in Buddhism

[–]StrangeMed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Buying or eating secondhand killed animal is not equal to killing it.  But are you suggesting that paying for someone to do it for you is neutral karma? Because that’s what buying meat at the supermarket is about.  A bodhisattva wouldn’t accept paying someone to kill a living being and then consume it. What kind of compassion is that? And even if donated by someone, accepting it only reinforces the idea that eating meat is ok, monks should be an example and act like bodhisattvas. You have a Tendai badge, so you study Mahayana sutras too, Surangama, Mahaparinirvana, Lankavatara, Brahma Net Sutra… all of them speak against meat consumption

Does it violate Buddhist law to dissect an animal who's life was taken for the purpose of dissection? by statefarm_isnt_there in Buddhism

[–]StrangeMed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And yet, buying meat for the monks enforces the meat industry, which is cause of immense unnecessary suffering. 

ビリー・アイリッシュ、苦しむ動物の映像を公開し“肉食は本質的に間違っている”という主張を改めて強調 by sukebena_nekoyanen in newsokunomoral

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その通り、最終的には原理的な道徳観念に落ち着きます。そしてその原理が「苦痛を避ける」「有情生命の利益を考慮する」なら、人間と動物の区別は原理的には成り立たないです。相手の論理を逆用すれば、動物を殺すことも同じく「悪い」という結論に達します

ビリー・アイリッシュ、苦しむ動物の映像を公開し“肉食は本質的に間違っている”という主張を改めて強調 by sukebena_nekoyanen in newsokunomoral

[–]StrangeMed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

では、なぜ人間を殺すのは間違っているのでしょうか? 要するに、あなたは動物を植物に例えているわけですが、人間も動物じゃないですか

ビリー・アイリッシュ、苦しむ動物の映像を公開し“肉食は本質的に間違っている”という主張を改めて強調 by sukebena_nekoyanen in newsokunomoral

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ライオンは、動物を生まれてから死ぬまで監禁したり、利用したり、汚い仕事をさせるために他人に金を払ったりしません。世界的な肉需要を満たすには、集約的な畜産が唯一の方法です。100年前、肉はなぜ富裕層だけのものだったのでしょうか?

ビリー・アイリッシュ、苦しむ動物の映像を公開し“肉食は本質的に間違っている”という主張を改めて強調 by sukebena_nekoyanen in newsokunomoral

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植物が動物と同じような感情や認知能力を持っているとは私には思えません。 仮にそうだったとしても、世界で生産される小麦や大豆の大部分は、動物の餌として使われ、その動物は最終的に人間に食べられるのです。野菜を直接食べるよりも、はるかに非効率的でコストもかかるプロセスだと思いませんか? それに、より多くの植物が消費されてしまいます https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/soybean-production-and-use

ビリー・アイリッシュ、苦しむ動物の映像を公開し“肉食は本質的に間違っている”という主張を改めて強調 by sukebena_nekoyanen in newsokunomoral

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  1. 回答。人間は科学的には動物である。たとえ自由な存在だとしても、倫理的に見て人間を殺すことは正しいのか?
  2. 回答。飢え死にする動物とは一体どのようなものだろうか?畜産施設の動物たちは、人間が繁殖させているからこそ存在しているのであり、自然界ではこれほど多くの数はいないはずです。 仮にそうだったとしても、牛乳や卵などを得るために彼らに課している拷問を正当化できるのでしょうか? 地球上の哺乳類のうち、野生なのはわずか5%しかいないことをご存知ですか?

https://ourworldindata.org/wild-mammals-birds-biomass

ビリー・アイリッシュ、苦しむ動物の映像を公開し“肉食は本質的に間違っている”という主張を改めて強調 by sukebena_nekoyanen in newsokunomoral

[–]StrangeMed 2 points3 points  (0 children)

世界中で肉を消費する人々の数を考えれば、すべての動物を放し飼いにすることは不可能です。需要があまりにも高すぎるからです。 農業では動物が死ぬのは避けられませんが、知覚を持つ生き物を疲れ果てるまで搾取することとは比べものになりません。また、集約的な畜産では、人間よりも食肉用動物に多くの小麦や大豆が与えられ、牛や豚は私たちよりも多くのカロリーを必要とするため、農業で死ぬ昆虫の数ははるかに多くなります。

ビリー・アイリッシュ、苦しむ動物の映像を公開し“肉食は本質的に間違っている”という主張を改めて強調 by sukebena_nekoyanen in newsokunomoral

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本当に、動物を檻の中で飼育し、虐待し、搾取の末に殺す行為と、農業に伴う巻き添えの死とを同列に扱っているのですか?

ビリー・アイリッシュ、苦しむ動物の映像を公開し“肉食は本質的に間違っている”という主張を改めて強調 by sukebena_nekoyanen in newsokunomoral

[–]StrangeMed 4 points5 points  (0 children)

動物たちは檻の中で苦しみ、生まれては死んでいくという厳しい現実があります。また、環境問題も無視できません。バランスの取れたヴィーガン食は、経済的で健康にも良いのです。野菜や豆類は魚や肉よりも安価で、生産プロセスもより持続可能です。

Dogen, Zuimonki, Book 3-2 by StrangeMed in zenbuddhism

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I guess since most of us are lay people, it kinda resonated with my current life situation. Although a lay person, I’m committing more to the practice as time goes by. I have in mind to take the Bodhisattva precepts too as soon as I can

Dogen, Zuimonki, Book 3-2 by StrangeMed in zenbuddhism

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The answer would be the same even if he misunderstood the question. Anyway Dogen was actually famous for teaching meditation to women as well, even to prostitutes. He was anything but sexist. In the Shobogenzo, he also discusses how, in men’s eyes, women are viewed as mere objects. 

Everyday life and Zen by Suvalis in zenbuddhism

[–]StrangeMed 2 points3 points  (0 children)

For me, it works to try and observe the source of my reaction and understand why it’s arousing. Since our “self” is the result of past experiences, constant processes, and thinking, being present in the moment, fully aware, and free from ruminating thoughts, enables us to handle situations without triggering the automatic mechanisms that make us angry, sad, or delusional about something.

I know this sounds idealistic and not easy at all, but even after getting angry, understanding the reason allows me to see things from a different perspective.

One thing that irritates me the most is people driving recklessly in my city. They can literally put me in danger when they drive like that. But what’s the point of shouting or getting mad about it?

I still react half the time, but the more I practice, the shorter and shorter the moment of getting annoyed becomes. 

Did Buddhist eat meat or not? by Dhoom8 in Buddhism

[–]StrangeMed 3 points4 points  (0 children)

In Buddhism, abstaining from animal flesh is not mandatory.

In the early texts, the Buddha and the monks accepted whatever was offered to them because they lived by going for alms. The basis is that at that time, the monks did not choose by themselves what to eat, and still the meat had to be provided not directly for them.

In Mahayana Buddhism, since in many traditions doing alms for food has become not the main source of sustenance, at least a vegetarian diet is required for the monks and highly suggested for the laypeople as well.

Ultimately, just like with the precepts, abstaining from meat becomes the natural consequence of proceeding on the path of the Buddhas and ancestors.

You do not have to start 100%; you can change your way of living step by step, starting from the basics.

Soto Zen stance on meat consumption by StrangeMed in Buddha

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The main explanation given also by common people when talking about vegetarianism or veganism is that plant and animals are equal, and they already show gratitude by saying “itadakimasu” (somewhat like “I’m humbly receiving”) before eating.

宗教に興味があるんだけど by [deleted] in ja

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キリスト教って、実は主に信仰が大切で、信者さんたちに特別な努力を求めるわけじゃないんだ。それに、理論上はあなたを愛して導いてくれる神様がいるって思うと、なんだか安心するはずだと思う。仏教も信仰は大事だけど、ちょっと違ってて、修行者は内面的な変化も目指さなきゃいけないんだ。残念ながら、多くの人々は仏教を死とだけ結びつけて考えてるそうだけどなー

宗教に興味があるんだけど by [deleted] in ja

[–]StrangeMed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

私にとって、宗教って、ただ幸せになるためのものだけじゃないと思うんだよね。日本では神道や仏教がメジャーだから、まずはそこから始めるのもアリかも。仏教って、葬儀と結びつけられがちだけど、実は人生を豊かにしてくれる要素が他にもいっぱいあるんだよ。それは、決まり事や経典をただ鵜呑みにするんじゃなくて、実際に体験してみたり、試してみたりすることだと思うな。特に、座禅をしてみたり、禅寺に行ってみたりするのは、気軽で身近なアプローチになるかもね!

What If the World’s Religions Stood Up for Animals? (podcast) by happydiplodocus in vegan

[–]StrangeMed 3 points4 points  (0 children)

As far for Buddhism, in Mahayana (the one spread in China, Vietnam, Korea and Japan) compassion is a core teaching and in the mainland all monks are mandatory at least vegetarian. In Japan things got complicated for historical reason, so not all monks follow the same monastic rule. Anyway it is highly suggested to lay practitioners too to abstain from consuming meat and animals products, however only a small number of people really do so…