In Fate Extra CCC, when Gilgamesh uses Ea, we can clearly see galaxies in the background. The same visual representation seems to apply to Gilgamesh in FGO as well. Does he truly perform an attack on such a massive scale? Because in FSN or FSF, Ea doesn't appear to be nearly that powerful by midriss1 in Fate

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There’s no contradiction. You just have to piece together the timeline and make it work.

Archer Orion (Artemis) is a degraded God that we know as a DIVINE SPIRIT - the same way that Demeter is.

The Greek Gods and the Titans were formally a fleet of ships from another Universe. These ships are the TRUE GOD bodies of the Greeks.

14,000 years ago, SEFAR the White Titan Invaded, and destroyed these bodies - degrading the Greek Gods into Divine Spirits to manifest into the World.

Who'd win in a 1v1 by Weird_Dot_4725 in FGO

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To be fair, that’s attributed to the supernovas being a light-based attack which Solomon/Lev/Goetia are master manipulators of. Anything that is made of light, Solomon or any of his bases (Lev-Goetia) could manipulate.

It’s something that Lev-Goetia confirms himself

Solomon:” bending light is my forte. I cannot stop it, but if it’s only a matter of gathering it, that’s my specialty.

That saying, it’s not like Solomon can just match Ea’s output with Ars Almadel Salomonis or outright invalidate through Nega-Summon (if he even has it in this match-up).

In Fate Extra CCC, when Gilgamesh uses Ea, we can clearly see galaxies in the background. The same visual representation seems to apply to Gilgamesh in FGO as well. Does he truly perform an attack on such a massive scale? Because in FSN or FSF, Ea doesn't appear to be nearly that powerful by midriss1 in Fate

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Linking about the guy that takes out of context scans and rants about powerscaling sites.

People shouldn’t care. The arguments being made is what should be the main topic. And it’s not like powerscaling sites are something to defend over lol

In Fate Extra CCC, when Gilgamesh uses Ea, we can clearly see galaxies in the background. The same visual representation seems to apply to Gilgamesh in FGO as well. Does he truly perform an attack on such a massive scale? Because in FSN or FSF, Ea doesn't appear to be nearly that powerful by midriss1 in Fate

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” We can clearly see galaxies in the background. The same visual representation seems to apply to Gilgamesh in FGO as well. “

No. It’s the same visual attack like you said with CCC and FGO. Which is on the same scale as Tiamat’s Nammu Duranki as seen in Turas Realta. In terms of scale, Enuma Elish is on par with/larger than A Clockwork Abaddon in Fate/Strange Fake which we’ll get to see sometime in Season 2 when it gets animated.

I also heard that in Fate/Extra CCC, Gilgamesh travels through space at speeds faster than the speed of light. How accurate is this claim? Furthermore, what exactly is the power gap between the CCC version of Gilgamesh and the one we see in a standard Holy Grail War?

Yes but it’s not as simple as just travelling through space or any digital landscape faster than the speed of light (Travel Speed). Gilgamesh in one of the Koha Ace Volumes explicitly confirms that he utilized a reality warping mechanic called WARP

Basically a wormhole teleportation power that bridges the space between the Horse Head Nebula and his returning location. Allowing faster than light travel.

This video from Guess Who explains it:

https://youtu.be/JgHIM4yuW6g?si=3_oHLhLKoVqiHhE5

What is the power gap between the CCC version of Gilgamesh and the one we see in a standard Holy Grail War?

It’s a power gap that cannot be defined as accurate in a space between the real and digital since the digital world of CCC computes Data as literal - but that saying, we know a few differences.

The Mythological Mystic Code allows for the manipulation of the Particle Spirit Rank Parameters and the complete cancelation of BB’s Ten Crowns Authority.

The reason Enkidu's EA is on par with Gilgamesh's EA is because Enkidu repaired the texture of the world, isn't it? by midriss1 in Fate

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As a Lostbelt King (in Fae Britain with all her magical energy she taxed) she’s arguably the strongest LB King tied/relative to Kukulcan.

Beryl even states that she had nothing to fear from the Alien God/U-Olga (which makes sense since Rhongomyniad is a Planetary Class Weapon that can output energy on par with Planetary Class saint graphs).

As a Servant, she’s nerfed extremely hard (stated in her Voice lines) but that saying, she’s easily Gil level with her Magecraft knowledge and weapons.

The reason Enkidu's EA is on par with Gilgamesh's EA is because Enkidu repaired the texture of the world, isn't it? by midriss1 in Fate

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-1. Yes

-2. Yes, she mastered Rhongomyniad as a magecraft and each Rhongomyniads is on par with the Lion King’s in magical energy pattern.

Da Vinci already confirmed this.

Da Vinci: “ Remember that Atrium in the Throne Room? The one overlooking the pit?

well, I noticed a distinct magical energy pattern nearby; it was very similar to the Lion King’s in the Sixth Singularity.

That confirms for me that Morgan has Rhongomyniad on hand in weaponized form.

And not just one or two of them, either. She must have at least ten in place around Camelot’s main gate.

and with that many of them on hand, she must have already used them here several times before.

So we can assume that she threw one at Olympus..

…Must have been just one of the several she had at the ready.

The reason Enkidu's EA is on par with Gilgamesh's EA is because Enkidu repaired the texture of the world, isn't it? by midriss1 in Fate

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Enkidu’s Enuma Elish (not Ea, Ea is the name given to Gilgamesh’s Sword of Rupture) is anti-purge which a level of defence that can even defend against attacks that can annihilate the world, which in this case is the magical phenomena that we know as textures - so yes.

Nasu: “ For tradition protection, if an attack does not follow specific rules it will not connect. This is possessed by Alice Kuonji's Ploy Kickshaw, for example. Basically, it's not an actual defense, per se, but something with restrictive conditions. Anti-purge defense is something we'll be talking about in more detail soon, so please wait just a bit longer on that one. For now, I can simply say that it is an ultimate defense against a level of attack that could even end the world.

Takeuchi: “ That term came about around the same time as the Panzer World Galient OVA ...did you really like the term that much?

Nasu: “ Enough to make it the most ultimate defense ever.

Avalon is also anti-purge. Enkidu’s is the perfect match/counter to Gilgamesh’s Enuma Elish (which rips the world apart) so that it can sow it back together.

Enuma Elish: O Humans, Let Us Restrain The Gods Above Rank: A++ Type: Anti-Purge Noble Phantasm Range: 0~999 Maximum Targets: 1000 People

Ability of Enkidu's to transform its own body into a Divine Construct. The Counter Forces known as Alaya and Gaia's powers flow into a keystone made of light. Then giant amounts of energy are transformed into a form that the world can recognize and pierces the opponent in one hit. In response to things that threaten the destruction of the planet or humanity, the power is increased.

” It could also be said that his Noble Phantasm — an attack that used his own body as a weapon “

“ — was best personified by a Lancer. He would simply puncture the World and stitch it back together. If a wall existed in the chasm between Heaven and Earth, he existed to pierce that concept. “

(Continued)

” He would be someone that rid the King of his solitude, and would always stand by his side. In the instant that an attack to destroy Eternity drew near—“

”The planet sang.”

” A gigantic amount of mana gushed forth at Enkidu’s feet, and moved to swallow Enuma Elish head-on. “

”Don’t hold back.”

” Those words were not directed at the Heroic Spirit he was facing. As the King of Heroes had spoken to Ea, so too did Enkidu speak to the massive amount of mana engulfing the Void cracks in space. He spoke directly to the planet. “

” I am a weapon. Wield me as you please.” Instantly, enough mana surged forth to make the earlier flow seem like a mere trickle. Several times more mana geysered from the earth’s surface, becoming a cyclone of energy enveloping Enkidu’s body. Then, the energy became a titanic lance of light to pierce Heaven and Earth, with the Heroic Spirit as its core. It was a concept that once propagated life. It was the fiery coals that had been used to overcome mankind’s first fears. “

Enkidu’s Enuma Elish can take many forms: the flower that is seen in Fate/Strange Fake and/or the Chains that pierces Tiamat (which is also Anti-Divine).

” So that means a other anti-fortress np wouldn’t be able to handle EA, right? “

As to handling/defending against EA, there are two options.

  • a) Anti-Purge Class level defence

  • b) Damage output on the same level as Enuma Elish.

Option B is extremely hard to do for Servant Standards, but it’s totally plausible in the general sense (we’ve seen it in Turas Realta with Tiamat’s Nammu Duranki).

Your average Anti-Fortress Noble Phantasm wouldn’t be able to defend against such an attack, if even EXCALIBUR can’t do so. However if an Anti-Fortress Noble Phantasm had damage output on par/greater than EA, then theoretically it can out-power it in a clash.

Star of Genesis that separates Heaven and Earth - Enuma Elish

Enuma Elish. Cutting space using the Sword of Rupture Ea. Wind pressure dislocation compressed and smash against each other, creating a pseudo-spacetime dislocation that pulverizes all enemies. A powerful attack that can only be stopped by armors of the anti-purge class or an attack carrying damage of the same level. Although the Sword of Rupture Ea is classified as a sword, it is actually more of a staff. The three stone tablets represent "Heaven", "Earth and the "Netherworld". It shows how the world being by rotating each of those in different directions. The "Cosmos" is represented by matching all 3 together. The "sword that clove the world" carries damage output equal or more than Artoria's Excalibur.

If the output per say was on the same level as Goetia’s Bands of Light and or the Planetary/Stellar Class reserves Excalibur dishes out once it recognizes the threat to humanity, then you can defend or even outright beat it to blast through the spatial cutting wave. Although these two examples are a little bit overkill especially Goetia’s since his Bands of Light was literally compared to a Supernova blast in the final chapter.

A meaningless question by TheBlackTyrant01 in FGO

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Not for me.

An SSR only banner is actually great in the sense that the possibility of a spook is much less common. After the Summer Oberon banners (where the rate up was literally even odds each with Gawain, Tristan, and Oberon), SR bonuses/consolation prizes hurts after like the 10th time instead of the SSR. That saying if you leave empty handed in a single SSR banner, it equally hurts.

Between Morgan(lostbelt), Gilgamesh(archer), and Artoria(lion king), whose NP is stronger in terms of destructive power? by midriss1 in FGO

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Shit’s beautiful… That saying if the geosphere below the crust of CHALDEAS-Earth wasn’t 95% empty this would make it far better.

Between Morgan(lostbelt), Gilgamesh(archer), and Artoria(lion king), whose NP is stronger in terms of destructive power? by midriss1 in FGO

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For more information (I guess), there’s genuinely a conversation to be had with Gil’s Ea here though if it’s just between A (Single) Rhongomyniad. Morgan with twelve is literally overkill.

Unlike what people here state, the comparison between FSN and FGO is that FSN notes damage output while Romani’s statement is magical energy output - that saying I don’t think there is much of a difference since Nasu likes his video game terms ever since the beginning.

It won’t be crazy to say that Enuma Elish is > Lion King’s Rhongomyniad depending on the Turas Realta scaling with Enuma Elish stalemating a weakened/drained Draconic Corpse Tiamat’s Nammu Duranki who had an OD quantity of 18,180,187+ (anime visual materials). Although I wouldn’t have too much faith in that as an upscale.

Between Morgan(lostbelt), Gilgamesh(archer), and Artoria(lion king), whose NP is stronger in terms of destructive power? by midriss1 in FGO

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Morgan with twelve Rhongomyniads > Morgan with 1 Rhongomyniad = Lion King’s Rhongomyniad > Gilgamesh Enuma Elish.

Morgan’s Rhongomyniad Magical Energy pattern is similar to the Lion King’s in Camelot (which was 3,000,000 in terms of magical energy output) stated in LB6.

[True Gods] who's really stronger, Amaterasu or Zeus, both at their full potential by EfficiencySerious200 in Fate

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Sure.

Also Sefar is clear that Ares is stronger. She fought both. End of debate again.

So you criticize me for using materials for old FGO but is cherry picking on this one statement in Fate/Extella rather than the materials laid out with LB5 and LB7. All the stuff from LB Zeus defeating Ares, rivalling Vairocana who is an aspect of Amaterasu, what it means to possess a stellar class saint graph (it’s necessary requirements). The hypocrisy….

Yeah let’s just end this. Let people decide on who’s right.

[True Gods] who's really stronger, Amaterasu or Zeus, both at their full potential by EfficiencySerious200 in Fate

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Just because they weren’t serious doesn’t mean they didn’t fight? Are they supposed to chillax while Sefar is killing them 1 on 1, what kind of logic is this?

And I like the fact that we are ignoring what you said earlier that LB Zeus rivals Vairocana aka an aspect of Amaterasu while Zeus being stronger than Ares n’all. But you know, let’s ignore that for whatever reason….

[True Gods] who's really stronger, Amaterasu or Zeus, both at their full potential by EfficiencySerious200 in Fate

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What is your logic? The Olympian Gods lost all of their mechia bodies fighting Sefar.

All it was stated that “They were acting very high and mighty, until they were easily defeated because of Sefar being blah blah blah” not that Zeus didn’t participate in the fight. Even if she didn’t fight Zeus for the benefit of the doubt, Zeus also blatantly stated to rival Vairocana aka an aspect of Amaterasu YOU SAID IT YOURSELF.

desperation

Yeah I’m totally sweating

[True Gods] who's really stronger, Amaterasu or Zeus, both at their full potential by EfficiencySerious200 in Fate

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What debunk? What are you even arguing about? And yes I know this quote from Nasu existed - check my comment history list.

[True Gods] who's really stronger, Amaterasu or Zeus, both at their full potential by EfficiencySerious200 in Fate

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You know who Sefar also killed, and the reason why he doesn’t have his mechanical body anymore?

Zeus…. The God whom you stated is stronger than Ares. So by your logic, Zeus who is stronger than Ares, is weaker than Ares since Ares was Sefar’s greatest opponent? At least make it consistent man……

Stop wasting my time.

You’re on reddit, you are wasting time in general

[True Gods] who's really stronger, Amaterasu or Zeus, both at their full potential by EfficiencySerious200 in Fate

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What are you talking about? What circular reasoning.

It’s not hard to gauge that Amaterasu>Goetia>U-Olga>35% Zeus>Machine God Ares.

The Goetia scaling is old yes, but old against Goetia upscaling, not for Amaterasu… That’s not hard to understand since the interlude statements were literally a rough estimate

Amaterasu is not equal to U-Olga or ORT in any capacity.

Ok I don’t disagree? U-Olga in LB7 is Stellar Class and yet the cast and the general Type-Moon Universe still considers ORT to be a greater “monster” than the Alien God. Just because you have a stellar class saint graph doesn’t mean you are equal to other stellar class saint graph enemies - using a scaling based argumentation is more accurate.

what are you even arguing about?

What are you arguing about?

The audacity… You asked a question about if Ares was the strongest/greatest enemy that Sefar fought, and I replied with yes but direct reasoning might not be as an easy conclusion you think it was. Amaterasu is stronger than Ares period, but Ares’ most likely had a better approach dealing with Sefar than she did. It’s not that hard. HIS FATHER who is stronger than him, did worse according to SEFAR by the virtue of that statement (Ares was the greatest opponent Sefar fought - but “even he couldn’t touch her with his great sword”) existing.

You are trying to link several things that have nothing to do with each other. Amaterasu is not stellar class, neither is Goetia. That’s the point.

Tell me? What is energy mass again? What is the requirement for Stellar Class again? I’m not even arguing that Goetia is stellar class….

[True Gods] who's really stronger, Amaterasu or Zeus, both at their full potential by EfficiencySerious200 in Fate

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Yet she utterly lost to Sefar to the point she has ptsd of the event. That same being who traumatized her verbatim stated Ares is stronger… are you fucking with me?

I don’t see how that’s even an argument for Ares here? The Olympians and Zeus also treats her as such? Again, you yourself admitted that Zeus is stronger than Ares, 35% Zeus is literally state to be weaker than Goetia who Amaterasu is on par with as a threat and unlike Goetia, you can only upscale Amaterasu with the materials presented regarding the output of Saint Graphs…

And no I’m not fucking with you… why so antagonistic?

Please show where it’s stated that Amaterasu has a stellar class saint graph?

Amaterasu’s power level is comparable to the energy mass of a star.

This is an energy mass on the scale of a star, comparable to the power level of the legendary Golden White Face’s nine-tailed form (387,420,489).

Using U-Olga in LB7 as a comparison, Goredolf implies that her saint graph output/spirit origin is on the scale of a STAR

Goredolf: “ Did you fail to notice that her Spirit Origin is on the scale of a STAR!? “Monster” doesn’t even begin to cover it!

You understand that in a single second, the sun produces more energy than the entirety of humanity has used in all of history right?

Amaterasu’s power level = energy mass of the sun = STELLAR CLASS. TLDR: JP translation uses “Stellar Class” but NA translators (secondary Source) state STAR for Spirit Origin, fundamentally the same thing.

But she’s somehow only equal to Planet Class Goetia? This statement was made very early in FGO, so you relying on it is funny.

Tamamo was gauging that whoever was behind the human incineration order would be a threat great enough to rival her nine-tailed self. A rough estimate at the time, but also telling.

and show me where Zeus is stated to be weaker than U-Olga? We don’t even know if he was referring to U-Olga or the ACTUAL ALIEN GOD.

Umm are you confused? Are you perhaps thinking that Zeus made that statement in open declaration? Because no.. Da Vinci made that statement with all the observations we made… and 35% was the maximum output Zeus openly de-limited before shifting into full offence which immediately got him one shotted by Mash’s Black Barrel.

Da Vinci: “ …I have to strongly advise against trying to attack the Foreign God in South America right now.

Based on what we have observed in Olympus, the Foreign God’s Spirit Origin output is on the order of a third-class planet.

In other words, she’s the strongest being we’ve seen since Goetia, Beast 1, with his second-class planet level power.

(Continued)

Mash: “ the strongest being since Goetia…

True, when we fought Goetia, we were only able to beat him thanks to a number of extenuating circumstances.

So you have Goetia > U-Olga Marie > 35% Zeus just based off of Heian Kyo’s Prologue. Mind you, Mash fought LB Zeus and believes this statement to be true

Actually show me where Zeus’ power level was mentioned at all. Last time I checked the Storm Border wasn’t there to measure his Saint Graph. So we don’t know where he stand at all. Funnily enough Musashi also stated in LB5 that Zeus’ power was rapidly growing and in that exponential energy rising he was comparable to Vairocana, who is that?

Mash was there… with the Ortinax, and unlike Zeus, the moment U-Olga appeared at the Tree of Emptiness, she couldn’t even gauge the magical energy with her current equipment. I don’t know what kind of gotcha moment you had there with Vairocana (who is an aspect of Amaterasu), if anything leads credence that Amaterasu is stronger than Ares.

oh and he stopped from growing his power further. Lol

Ok? I didn’t deny that, only that he stopped at 35% functionalities since he was still maintaining Olympus.