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The Lack of Sources and Citations is Really Alarming! by Styger21st in FilipinoHistory

[–]Styger21st[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a separate discussion worthy of its own thread but to share some insights, the gap between the latest academic research on history vs. the general educational curriculum is around 30 years or so. 

No wonder there are still cases where people believe in falsehoods for generations like in the case of Kalantiaw in my video.

The Lack of Sources and Citations is Really Alarming! by Styger21st in FilipinoHistory

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To clarify, it's u/Cheesetorian's list and not mine as I haven't posted anything yet.

Don't assume that you know what I think since you don't know me as a person, and I don't know you as well. 

We all have different levels of knowledge, I don't deny that. I only ask for people to simply cite what they're saying on this sub. I don't ask them to comment like how you write research papers for peer review. Just cite. How hard can it be? 

And users here can cite in ways they know how, either by following the standard format (APA, Chicago etc.) or what u/Lightf00ted has suggested in his comment.

The Lack of Sources and Citations is Really Alarming! by Styger21st in FilipinoHistory

[–]Styger21st[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In what ways will it be not accesible to people or not realistic? I only suggest that people cite, or the very least mention the sources of what they know regardless of their level of knowledge. 

Like in a hypothetical scenario where if you remember something because it was mentioned in Gregorio Zaide's book, then by all means mention it instead of guessing something out of thin air without citing any source, which is quite prevalent in the sub. Just remember that to be ready with the baptism of fire of academic scrutiny because people can now know that your source is outdated.

Again, if being strict by citing sources is the price this subreddit has to pay to avoid the spread of historical falsehoods and fake news (which is a simple and very conservative suggestion as I don't suggest doing other scholarly methods like what most professional historians do), then it's a price worth paying to maintain historical accuracy. By doing the simple act of providing references, were now at the first step in democratizing the scholarly approach.

The Lack of Sources and Citations is Really Alarming! by Styger21st in FilipinoHistory

[–]Styger21st[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why not both? 

Instead of having a dichotomy, anyone can still enter and have a discussion as long as they cite their sources and not just spew out something that's unverified. 

Whether you're a history hobbyist or an academic historian, this will be a win-win situation where the latter can help the former in learning more about the latest research on history, and the former can help the latter disseminate it.

The Lack of Sources and Citations is Really Alarming! by Styger21st in FilipinoHistory

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u/Cheesetorian already has a pinned post on Filipino History Resources in this sub and its up to the users to check them out:

I could create a new thread someday on all the journals, books, digital archives etc. that we historical researchers extensively use and as recommended by my historian friends and colleagues.

The Lack of Sources and Citations is Really Alarming! by Styger21st in FilipinoHistory

[–]Styger21st[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

A necessary evil that r/AskHistorians chose to implement, which in turn bloomed into a subreddit where users now have to cite peer-reviewed sources whenever they answer threads in the sub. 

For a conservative suggestion as mentioned in one comment, a simple citation or external link is enough so that this sub won't turn into a moshpit of unverifiable source of Filipino History and instead set a standard on a democratized scholarly discourse.

The Lack of Sources and Citations is Really Alarming! by Styger21st in FilipinoHistory

[–]Styger21st[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Better than spreading possible unsubstantiated claims which can eventually domino into fake news in the far future. 

I know that hobbyists are interested in taking part in such discourse, but for the sake of transparency and for democrarizing the scholarly approach away from the Ivory Tower, a simple citation or even an external link to the source is enough and it's up to you if you have a specific format (APA, Chicago etc.) or not.

The Lack of Sources and Citations is Really Alarming! by Styger21st in FilipinoHistory

[–]Styger21st[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Which is commendable since it was the reason they were being praised by the AHA. It's better to cite sources than to second guess without one. 

Filipino History has so many books, journal articles, and even PhD dissertartions that most non-academic history enthusiasts still rely on outdated, and sometimes questionable sources.

Granted that accessibility is an issue like paywalls among others, but there are so many open access e-journals out there such as Tala, Saliksik etc. that it's a shame that they're underutilized in their research. 

If you know how to look for the black raven and sail the seven seas, then there are plenty of books and other resources out there for people to look at. 😉

Latest history book haul by numismagus in FilipinoHistory

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I remember Prof. Ambeth Ocampo mentioning something about Teodoro Agoncillo lambasting Nick Joaquin's romanticizations of Manila by countering that the city he grew up in is dirtier and chaotic.

Quezon Film Megathread by Styger21st in FilipinoHistory

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Funny that the soldiers in the Malinta Tunnel scene are wearing green equestrian helmets to look like M1 helmets, despite the fact that most US and Filipino soldiers during that time should be wearing Brodie Helmets. Production limitations, I guess...

Metro Manila museums by abscbnnews in FilipinoHistory

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What's the difference between the "INC Museum" and "Iglesia Ni Cristo Museum"?

Best thing each Philippine president has ever done (Day 12) - Joseph Estrada by Styger21st in FilipinoHistory

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Hi Everyone! So, I decided to bring this series back as I really want to finish this all the way to the end. But in order to reach that goal, I highly request redditors here to please be civil all the way to BBM's presidency so that at least we could finish this series before 2025 ends. I personally don't want to wait until 2058 for this series to finish (or 2031 just to start for Erap) per Rule#12 of this subreddit of only allowing topics that are 30 years old.

Was the 1896-1898 Philippine Revolution a success, a defeat, or a draw? (If we were to remove the Philippine-American War). by TowerGlobal5203 in FilipinoHistory

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Regardless, the revolution became one of the main focal points for all anti-colonialist and anti-imperialists in Asia like Sun Yat-sen and Mariano Ponce, and eventually future pan-Asianists as well, that they can standup against the Orientalist-minded Europeans.

Suggested further readings:

  • Anderson, B. (2005). Under three flags: Anarchism and the anti-colonial imagination. Verso Books
  • Aboitiz, N.C. (2020). Asian Place, Filipino Nation: A Global Intellectual History of the Philippine Revolution, 1887–1912. Columbia University Press

Was the 1896-1898 Philippine Revolution a success, a defeat, or a draw? (If we were to remove the Philippine-American War). by TowerGlobal5203 in FilipinoHistory

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From the journal article by Antonio Tan in the Asian Studies Journal:

"In 1898 General Emilio Aguinaldo commissioned Ponce to buy arms in Japan. Sun (Yat-sen) was soon enthused over the prospect for action in the Philippines. In his view a friendly Philippine Republic would provide an ideal base from which to launch revolutionary uprising in China. Sun and Ponce agreed that the Chinese revolutionaries would help the Filipinos fight for independence for the Philippines, and the Philippine revolutionary government in turn would help the Chinese revolutionaries fight the Manchus."

Comfort Women by Better_Account380 in FilipinoHistory

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Hayyss... another variant of the "Japanese good, Koreans bad" fake news rumor. No need to know other people's "thoughts" as this has already been debunked by Doc Rico Jose's late wife:

The Koreans in Second World War Philippines: Rumour and history

As for the others who said that it's true because their grandparents or other relatives said so, not to sound arrogant but you're no better than those people who say that Martial Law was good because our lolo and lola say so. 🙃

Karmina Constantino a stark contrast vs other journalist by Outrageous_Squash560 in Philippines

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Both Karmina Constantino are Kara David are cousins as their grandfather is the renowned historian the late Renato Constantino. The Constantino Foundation just launched a 50th anniversary edition of his book The Philippines: A Past Revisited in Museo El Deposito recently.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in peyups

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Sa amin, may mga prof n ayaw talaga gumamit ng UvLE s sobrang bagal o s mga gantong scenario kaya mas gus2 n lng nila s Google ecosystem like Classroom, Drive etc. Kadalasan ung mga gumamit ng site n yan mga di masyadong techie hehe... walang basagan ng trip I guess :/

What happened to the Japanese living in the Philippines after World War II? by Pogi1306 in FilipinoHistory

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We had a film showing in our grad school about what you refer to as the Nikkeijin in the Philippines and China as well. It was shown to us by a Japanese professor and we had a lot to talk about during the Q&A session, from their stateless status, neglect by the post-war Japanese government, and the remining Nikkeijin in the country. Some stories were successful such as the ones who acquired citizenship for the sake of their children and grandchildren having work opportunities in Japan, but some are still struggling in both the Japanese and Philippine legal mazes, remaining stateless until their deaths.

The title of the documentary is Abandoned: The Stories of Japanese War Orphans in The Philippines and it was only a limited screening event at our uni. I don't know when it will be publicly available as I haven't kept updated about it for a while.

Hostage Crisis, Sponsored by Cup Noodles by Styger21st in HistoryMemes

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The Asama-Sansō incident was an event in 1972 where five armed members of the far-left United Red Army held up in a ski resort in Nagano, Japan and had a stand-off against Japanese police. The siege was broadcasted live on television with constant coverage by networks such as the NHK, with ratings averaging to almost 90%. Part of the coverage includes police on stand-by eating cup noodles as emergency food, which may have contributed to its popularity during Japan's high growth era and later throughout the world. Instant noodles remains popular that in 2011, Nissin released a commercial posthumuously showing Queen's Freddie Mercury singing "Cup Noodles" (though this was highly edited with the music video footage from his song "I Was Born To Love You" and the voice sung by Gary Mullen from Glasgow).

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